[Tagging] bus networks in Hong Kong

Jo winfixit at gmail.com
Tue Aug 2 15:01:12 UTC 2016

In Belgium, operators work on a regional level. De Lijn in Flanders, TEC in
Wallonia and MIVB/STIB in Brussels. There is some geographical overlap. The
Brussels company drives to the airport, which is in Flanders and has
expensive tickets to get you there. De Lijn and TEC also serve north and
south station in Brussels.

There is also Flixbus from the Netherlands and Eurolines for long distance
coaches. Veolia/Connexxion also have some buses that pass through Belgium
and between Brugge and Breskens, there is line 42 which is operated jointly
by De Lijn and the Dutch company that happens to have the concession in The

>From France there is a French bus line 2/2B that connects Dunkerque with
Adinkerke/De Panne. Free on weekend days for the part in France. From the
border to De Panne €1.

De Lijn consists of 5 networks, one for each province. (West-Vlaanderen,
Oost-Vlaanderen, Antwerpen, Vlaams-Brabant, Limburg) All the same tariff,
only long distance buses for students have a different price.

TEC consists of 5 networks, one for each province. (Hainaut, Namur,
Brabant-Wallon, Liège, Luxembourg).

In Brussels, it's possible to buy a JUMP ticket from MIVB, which enables
the use of the buses of De Lijn and trains to the nearby stations of the
railway company. Tickets from De Lijn and TEC are not valid on buses, trams
and metro of the Brussels company.

They all introduced a smart card of the same type/technology and they were
capable of creating 4 incompatible systems with those cards. Go figure!
Somebody who lives near to the capital and to Wallonia would need 4 such
cards to be able to use public transport and of course there is a cost
involved in getting them. Welcome to Absurdistan.

As far as we're concerned networks are smaller geographically than where
the operators operate, which seems different to what I think happens in
neighbouring countries.

I have no idea how we would ever be able to encode all those specificities
about the tariffs, somehow.


2016-08-02 16:30 GMT+02:00 Frank Villaro-Dixon <frank at villaro-dixon.eu>:

> On 16-08-02 15:29:11, Michael Tsang, wrote 1.0K characters saying:
>> On Monday 01 August 2016 23:55:56 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>> sent from a phone
>>> > Il giorno 01 ago 2016, alle ore 17:51, Michael Tsang <
>>> miklcct at gmail.com>
>>> > ha scritto:
>>> >
>>> > What should I type in for the network=* tag for the bus routes such
>>> that
>>> > it is least surprising and least confusing for data users?
>>> You have written a lot about operators, but these go into the operator
>>> tag
>>> on the relation, the network is more about fares I think: if you can use
>>> the same kind of tickets it's the same network.
>> Cash and card can be used across the whole territory across different
>> networks
> To me, `operator` is the company that drives the bus (say, "Bus drivers
> Ltd") whereas `network` targets the global entity/company/consortium for
> the group of lines.
> Generally speaking, a ticket bought on a network could be used on all the
> lines of the said network (even if the `operator` is different) of course
> following the network's rules.
> An operator (O₁) can drive busses of two different networks (N₁, N₂). A
> network (N₁) can have many operators (O₁, O₂). A user buying a ticket for
> N₁ can use all of N₁'s routes.
> In Geneva for example, we have three main networks: TPG, Noctambus,
> Mouettes.
> TPG routes are operated by: TPG, RDTA, …
> Noctambus is operated by TPG
> Mouettes is operated by SMGN
> But then there is a "master" network: Unireso. If you buy a ticket from
> one of Unireso's networks you can use your ticket on all of Unireso's
> routes.
> What do you think ?
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