[Tagging] Mediterranean "bar" aka pub

[Alejandro S.]

Hi!

I'm from Spain and I found surprising the fact that in the wiki there are
an exception in the bar tag[0] about the Mediterranean ones:

In Mediterranean countries, the word "bar" has a different meaning
> (although this doesn't necessarily mean the tag should be applied
> differently). Here a bar is integral part of the lifestyle. You go there in
> the morning to have breakfast, at lunch they serve simple meals, all day
> long (if not closed after lunch) people use them to get a quick coffee and
> in the evening it's a meeting place to get an aperitif before dinner. Some
> are open in the evening and night though mostly they close in the evening,
> some also sell tobacco, sweets and stamps. Unlike a pub this kind of bar is
> open for breakfast and coffee plays a way bigger role than beer.


Why this exception? I think it comes from a misunderstanding,in Spain we
use the word "*bar*" for a kind of establishment different that English
bars.

Also this exception makes impossible to differentiate real amenity=bar (in
the English sense[1]) from Spanish *"bares*", that have different
characteristics.

Also, even if, as the wiki says, "coffee plays a way bigger role than beer"
they look to me more like English pubs[2] but whit wider opening hours:

Establishment that sells alcoholic drinks that can be consumed on the
> premises. Pubs commonly sell food which also can be eaten on the premises.
> They are characterised by a traditional appearance and a relaxed
> atmosphere. You can usually sit down and there is usually no loud music to
> disturb conversation.


That looks like the definition of a Spanish "*bar*", why not use the tag
that describe that concept, amenity=pub.

That exception looks like it was written many years ago by user
dieterdreist[3] but I don't know if it was discussed before or after the
writing in the wiki.

I had been mapping the Spanish establishments that serve alcoholic drinks
as well as food (an also coffee) with a relaxed atmosphere without loud
music as amenity=pub even if the word doesn't "match" with the name of the
establishment, for example "Bar Pepe". Was that wrong?

Most of the Spanish community map Spanish "*bar*" as amenity=pub but some
of them got confused by the false-friend word.

So I think that this exception only cause errors in the data and
misunderstandings:
Should it be removed and a sentence written in the wiki saying that
Mediterranean "bar" should be tagged as amenity=pub?




[0]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbar

[1]: In Spain we have also establishments like those the wiki[0] says "They
are characterised by a noisy and vibrant atmosphere, similar to a party.
They usually do not sell food to be eaten as a meal. The music is usually
loud and you often have to stand. Sometimes it has a dancefloor, but it's
not the main attraction".

[2]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpub

[3]:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Aamenity%3Dbar&type=revision&diff=331228&oldid=330911

Best regards,
  Alejandro Suárez
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