[Tagging] Marking climbing proposal as "in use"

Anders Fougner anders.fougner at gmail.com
Fri Jan 29 14:59:03 UTC 2016

Den 29.01.2016 15.19, skrev Chris Hill:
> On 29/01/16 10:17, Anders Fougner wrote:
>> Den 29.01.2016 10.47, skrev Tom Pfeifer:
>>>> Den 29.01.2016 02.21, skrev Mike Thompson:
>>>>> What one person may aid, another may free (I am using "free 
>>>>> climbing" in the US sense  [1]).
>>> > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_climbing
>>> that wikipedia page is quite messed up by an recent edit war about 
>>> the use
>>> of "free climbing" in different parts of the world, the current version
>>> is historically wrong. 
>> Certainly, it doesn't match the historical use in my country either.
>> Den 29.01.2016 10.47, skrev Tom Pfeifer:
>>>> You might even add a converted grade (although the conversion isn't 
>>>> unique since 5.13 might be anything between 7c+ and 8b):
>>> No! Conversion of grades is subjective and can be done by the
>>> data consumer. The grade should be in the native system of the
>>> area. We also do not convert maxspeed=15mph into km/h tags, since
>>> that can be computed.
>>> tom 
>> Sorry, I wasn't specific enough here; I meant if there is an official 
>> converted grade.
>> In my area the guidebooks usually have two grades for each route; 
>> Norwegian grades and French grades. In such cases, when there is an 
>> "official conversion" (but doesn't really match the conversion tables 
>> on e.g. the wiki-link above [1]), I think both can be added.
> Adding data from guidebooks is not acceptable, they are copyright. 
> This has always been my concern with climbing routes, ground surveying 
> can show locations, but when I used to climb all grades and route 
> details came from a copyright guidebook. A mapper who has made the 
> climb and assessed the grade personally can add this, but will this 
> normally be the source?
Sure, one would need to check the copyright before taking *any* info 
from the guidebook (name, grade, etc.).

I am one of the editors of the local guidebook, and the main editor 
asked me to put the crag info into OSM.
I haven't mapped any routes in OSM though, just crag info (so far).


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