[Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

Colin Smale colin.smale at xs4all.nl
Fri Jul 1 23:36:27 UTC 2016


Why not try taking a more objective approach with the tagging? I mean
less emphasis on what it is called (which clearly varies widely and is
subject to discussion) and more emphasis on what it is, which should be
less controversial and give a quicker convergence. 

One might consider characteristics like: 

 	* Do residents have their own door onto a public area, or onto a
private communal area?
 	* Is there 24 hour medical care available?
 	* Is there other 24 hour support?
 	* Is there a communal dining facility?
 	* What is the target group? Old and infirm? Mentally ill?
Rehabilitation following serious trauma?

These are only a selection of what came to mind. 

So if you think both a retirement home and assisted living accommodation
are the same thing, it doesn't matter much which of these is used in OSM
(we usually follow British English if possible). If you think there is
some subtle difference, what is the essential difference in terms of the
characteristics mentioned above? Maybe it is sufficient to distinguish
them by using (for example) communal_dining=no. 

//colin 

On 2016-07-02 01:08, Greg Troxel wrote:

> Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Wikipedia also seems to confirm that this is a specific service
>> (although I don't buy the "too young for a retirement home" part):
>> 
>> "Assisted living as it exists today emerged in the 1990s as an
>> eldercare alternative on the continuum of care for people, for whom
>> independent living is not appropriate but who do not need the 24-hour
>> medical care provided by a nursing home and are too young to live in a
>> retirement home. Assisted living is a philosophy of care and services
>> promoting independence and dignity."
> 
> The first half of the first sentence is correct, but the 2nd half is
> bogus.  It's also out of line by wikipedia's standards.
> 
> I have seen assisted living places in the US.  There, 70-75 is young,
> and most of the residents have some kind of age-related difficulty that
> makes it awkward, unsafe, or unpleasant to be in independent living.  A
> few (maybe 3 in 100) will be younger, but have some kind of mobility or
> cognitive impairment that basically is the same situation.  Now, people
> basically transition from being in some kind of regular residential
> (house, condo, maybe indpendent living) to assisted living, and then to
> nursing home (some skipping AL with acute onset of problems, and some
> dying before either step, of course).
> 
> Almost no one moves to a "group home" because of age-related mobility or
> cognitive issues.
> 
> I no longer see any facility called retirement home.  I used to, and I
> think it was something that was a little bit like AL but less care,
> before the state set standards of what could be provided and what
> training was needed for people to do it. 
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