[Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

Marc Gemis marc.gemis at gmail.com
Sun Mar 6 09:47:07 UTC 2016


It depends on the kind of shops.

E.g vehicle related shops, typically have 1 or only a few brands. The
listof brands fixed for longer periods.
I think the same is true for some fashion outlets where you can only
find a collection from a limited number of brand.

I wouldn't start adding brands to all products you find in a
supermarket, garden centre, DIY etc.
But for those shops the categories of products can important, or at
least more important than the actual brands.

regards

m

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Ralph Aytoun <ralph.aytoun at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> My personal opinion is that this is getting totally out of hand.
> Shops pay a lot of money to advertise their wares and you are stepping in
> and trying to do commercial marketing for free.
> Not only that but who is going to maintain this information? Shops rotate
> their stocks on a seasonal basis. They also stock multiple brands!
>
> So we will end up with tagging ...
> sells:bread:white:medium:Hovis=
> sells:bread:white:thick:Hovis=
> sells:bread:50-50:medium:Hovis=
> sells:bread:white:medium:Own_Brand=
> sells:bread:white:thick:Own_Brand=
> etc. etc. etc.
>
> With this kind of trend we are definitely moving away from the realms of
> sustainable Mapping and creating some kind of stock take for each shop! And
> some of us know that with regard to stock taking even the shops themselves
> are hard pressed to maintain an up-to-date record. So where does that leave
> us two weeks, two months or two years down the line?
>
> If GIS professionals want to access this kind of detail for a study of shops
> in an area they would be totally nuts to use the Openstreetmap data for
> their study, for any kind of credibility they would have to do an up-to-date
> stock check of the shops in the study area before embarking on this kind of
> study. I would prefer if we concentrated on just identifying whether it is a
> clothing shop or a jewellery shop with a link to the shop's website for more
> up-to-date detailed information of what that shop is promoting rather than
> seeing time and effort spent on this kind of unsustainable detail.
>
> Just my humble opinion.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Warin
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 7:52 AM
> To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..
>
>
> On 6/03/2016 5:58 PM, Marc Gemis wrote:
>>
>> I like this, but have a few question:
>>
>> - Do we always place brand at the end ?
>>
>> e.g. sells:cloths:children:Mói=yes
>> or sells:cloths:Mói:children=yes ?
>>
>> - Can we somehow define whether one should use
>>
>> sells:cloths:children vs. sells:children_cloths
>>
>> what I mean can we put forward some "rules"  or "guidelines" for
>> defining new subkeys ?.
>
>
> Guide line? Possible?
>
> From least to most specific.
>
> I think that should be the overall principle .. appears to be a principle
> inuse by OSM .. at least I think so?
>
> More specific?
>
> I would reject sells:children_cloths and accept sells:cloths:children as
> this is more universal method (applies to bread etc)?
>
> I would put the brand last - as that is more specific than the type (of
> clothing, bread etc).
>
>
>>
>> - Do we always need all subkeys ?
>>
>> e.g. sells:clothes:brandX:women=yes
>> sells:clothes:brandX:men=yes
>> sells:clothes:brandX:children=yes
>>
>> or sells:clothes:women:brandX, ...
>>
>> or is it in that case sufficient to write
>>
>> sells:clothes:brandX=yes
>
>
> I think the last would be sufficient, and should indicate that most, if not
> all, products made by that firm are for sale.
>
> But the first 3 would be very clear that at least those 3 types are sold
> (but tagging rearranged to brand last).
>
> At least for some tags OSM has two complimentary kinds of tagging in the
> data base.
>
>
> e.g. oneway=no compared to no tags for oneway. Both are taken as meaning the
> same thing. There are others, but I cannot think of them now.
>
>>
>> - how do we incorporate all the values for clothes in this ?
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:clothes
>
>
> 1:1 substitution for all values?
> cloths:women becomes sells:cloths:women ?
>
> Similar for
> shop=tabacco
> stamps=yes
>
> the tag stamps=yes becomes sells:stamp=yes Or better yet would be
> sells:stamps:revenue=yes
> and
> sells:stamps:postage=yes
>
> As both exist in various countries! And there could be more different kind
> of stamps?
>
> ! You see I have not gone far in my thinking ... but certainly further than
> others.
>
>>
>> I guess similar questions will pop up for other goods.
>>
>> I hope the general principle will be accepted without too much
>> problems, but I expect quite some discussions on the subkeys.
>> (neverending discussions :-)  )
>
>
> Yep. And there will be future 'problems'.
>
>>
>> regards
>>
>> m
>
>
> Keep them coming!
>
>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:01 AM, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> sells:motorcycle:yamaha=yes
>>>
>>> sells:motorcycle:honda=yes
>>>
>>>
>>> sells:bread:wholemeal=yes
>>>
>>> sells:bread:sourdough=yes
>>>
>>> sells:bread:tip_top=yes
>>>
>>>
>>> sells:cloths:children=yes
>>
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