[Tagging] Snowmobile routes

Erik Johansson erjohan at gmail.com
Wed Sep 28 20:16:47 UTC 2016


Here is a Swedish version of that NY snowmobile map that uses OSM data:


http://skoterleder.org/#!map/7/62.4692/17.6440
transaltes to: "snowmobile routes.org"

https://github.com/skoterleder/skoterleder.org



On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Kevin Kenny
<kevin.b.kenny+osm at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, exactly. People tag the ways, but nobody's been working on creating the
> relations for the long, nearly continuous routes. (Qualifiers: In this
> country. As far as I can tell. I'd be delighted to be wrong.)
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Brad Neuhauser <brad.neuhauser at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Minnesota has a bunch too.
>> http://dnr.state.mn.us/snowmobiling/interactive_map/index.html  I'm sure
>> it's the same for other states. I personally don't snowmobile but have just
>> noticed many ways tagged in OSM since they sometimes follow bike routes. :)
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.kenny+osm at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree that route=snowmobile makes more sense. Since there were exactly
>>> zero uses of the tag in the US, I missed it entirely. (Then again, I don't
>>> know how many jurisdictions have numbered snowmobile routes overlaid on the
>>> highway and trail networks!)
>>>
>>> Are we agreed, then, on the following?
>>>
>>> roles should be the same as for route=road
>>> name, network and ref should be filled in where available. In general,
>>> either a name or a network/ref pair is expected.
>>> US:NY:snowmobile:corridor and US:NY:snowmobile:secondary are reasonable
>>> choices for the network
>>>
>>> If I don't hear cries and screams, expect a proposal on the Wiki at some
>>> point. (I also haven't abandoned access=permit, just gotten sidetracked on
>>> some actual mapping and haven't got back to it yet.)
>>>
>>> Incidentally, US:NY:snowmobile:corridor and US:NY:snowmobile:secondary
>>> form an extensive network of about 15000 km. There's a route map at
>>> http://www.nysnowmobilewebmap.com/webmap/ The numbered routes are in red
>>> (corridor) and orange (secondary). Blue are un-numbered routes belonging to
>>> local clubs. The underlying GIS data that were used for that map are free
>>> for us to use, but I do NOT propose an import because they don't meet my
>>> standards of data quality. Just to begin with, they are digitized at an
>>> inappropriately small scale.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Brad Neuhauser
>>> <brad.neuhauser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It may not be "officially recognized" but route=snowmobile is used some
>>>> [0], and IMHO makes a lot more sense than route=road!
>>>>
>>>> [0] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/route=snowmobile
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Kevin Kenny
>>>> <kevin.b.kenny+osm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought sure that I had raised this question before, but a quick
>>>>> troll through the archives doesn't seem to show it.
>>>>>
>>>>> New York State has an extensive network of designated snowmobile
>>>>> routes, intended to be long-distance continuous paths. In some cases, they
>>>>> follow highways, or logging roads on state land. In other cases, the state
>>>>> offers grants to private landowners to maintain the route, funded out of
>>>>> snowmobile registration fees. (At least that's my understanding of how the
>>>>> system works. I'm not a snowmobilist). Except where the route is groomed
>>>>> alongside a highway (or sometimes on the highway - not all our roads are
>>>>> open to motor vehicles in winter), other motor vehicles are ordinarily
>>>>> forbidden.
>>>>>
>>>>> These routes are marked with a highway shield, with reassurance markers
>>>>> at intervals. There are even two tiers of routes: 'corridor' and
>>>>> 'secondary'. Both are long-distance routes, so they are not appropriate for
>>>>> the name=* field on a track or path. (Example: Haul Road No. 1 in the Dutch
>>>>> Settlement State Forest is blazed for both the New York Long Path
>>>>> (route=hiking) and Snowmobile Corridor Route 7B. A highway shield on a
>>>>> snowmobile route looks like https://flic.kr/p/nPeMwe.
>>>>>
>>>>> We don't (yet?) have a 'route=snowmobile' officially recognized. What I
>>>>> used recently when a hike (gathering map data for something else) took me
>>>>> for a while on a snowmobile corridor was 'route=road
>>>>> network=US:NY:snowmobile:corridor ref=7B'. (If it had been a secondary
>>>>> route, it would of course have been US:NY:snowmobile:secondary.) I feel a
>>>>> little uncomfortable about route=road, which seems to be tailored for motor
>>>>> vehicles, but the tagging would be in all ways the same - type, network,
>>>>> route, ref are all there, and even most of the roles are possible (there are
>>>>> link trails, for instance, providing access to nearby highways, or places
>>>>> where a route splits into a one-way pair).
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this sound plausible?
>>>>>
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