[Tagging] Snowmobile routes

Kevin Kenny kevin.b.kenny+osm at gmail.com
Tue Sep 27 16:42:43 UTC 2016

Yes, exactly. People tag the ways, but nobody's been working on creating
the relations for the long, nearly continuous routes. (Qualifiers: In this
country. As far as I can tell. I'd be delighted to be wrong.)

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Brad Neuhauser <brad.neuhauser at gmail.com>

> Minnesota has a bunch too. http://dnr.state.mn.us/
> snowmobiling/interactive_map/index.html  I'm sure it's the same for other
> states. I personally don't snowmobile but have just noticed many ways
> tagged in OSM since they sometimes follow bike routes. :)
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.kenny+osm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I agree that route=snowmobile makes more sense. Since there were exactly
>> zero uses of the tag in the US, I missed it entirely. (Then again, I don't
>> know how many jurisdictions have numbered snowmobile routes overlaid on the
>> highway and trail networks!)
>> Are we agreed, then, on the following?
>>    - roles should be the same as for route=road
>>    - name, network and ref should be filled in where available. In
>>    general, either a name or a network/ref pair is expected.
>>    - US:NY:snowmobile:corridor and US:NY:snowmobile:secondary are
>>    reasonable choices for the network
>> If I don't hear cries and screams, expect a proposal on the Wiki at some
>> point. (I also haven't abandoned access=permit, just gotten sidetracked on
>> some actual mapping and haven't got back to it yet.)
>> Incidentally, US:NY:snowmobile:corridor and US:NY:snowmobile:secondary
>> form an extensive network of about 15000 km. There's a route map at
>> http://www.nysnowmobilewebmap.com/webmap/ The numbered routes are in red
>> (corridor) and orange (secondary). Blue are un-numbered routes belonging to
>> local clubs. The underlying GIS data that were used for that map are free
>> for us to use, but I do NOT propose an import because they don't meet my
>> standards of data quality. Just to begin with, they are digitized at an
>> inappropriately small scale.
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Brad Neuhauser <
>> brad.neuhauser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It may not be "officially recognized" but route=snowmobile is used some
>>> [0], and IMHO makes a lot more sense than route=road!
>>> [0] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/route=snowmobile
>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Kevin Kenny <
>>> kevin.b.kenny+osm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I thought sure that I had raised this question before, but a quick
>>>> troll through the archives doesn't seem to show it.
>>>> New York State has an extensive network of designated snowmobile
>>>> routes, intended to be long-distance continuous paths. In some cases, they
>>>> follow highways, or logging roads on state land. In other cases, the state
>>>> offers grants to private landowners to maintain the route, funded out of
>>>> snowmobile registration fees. (At least that's my understanding of how the
>>>> system works. I'm not a snowmobilist). Except where the route is groomed
>>>> alongside a highway (or sometimes on the highway - not all our roads are
>>>> open to motor vehicles in winter), other motor vehicles are ordinarily
>>>> forbidden.
>>>> These routes are marked with a highway shield, with reassurance markers
>>>> at intervals. There are even two tiers of routes: 'corridor' and
>>>> 'secondary'. Both are long-distance routes, so they are not appropriate for
>>>> the name=* field on a track or path. (Example: Haul Road No. 1 in the Dutch
>>>> Settlement State Forest is blazed for both the New York Long Path
>>>> (route=hiking) and Snowmobile Corridor Route 7B. A highway shield on a
>>>> snowmobile route looks like https://flic.kr/p/nPeMwe.
>>>> We don't (yet?) have a 'route=snowmobile' officially recognized. What I
>>>> used recently when a hike (gathering map data for something else) took me
>>>> for a while on a snowmobile corridor was 'route=road
>>>> network=US:NY:snowmobile:corridor ref=7B'. (If it had been a secondary
>>>> route, it would of course have been US:NY:snowmobile:secondary.) I feel a
>>>> little uncomfortable about route=road, which seems to be tailored for motor
>>>> vehicles, but the tagging would be in all ways the same - type, network,
>>>> route, ref are all there, and even most of the roles are possible (there
>>>> are link trails, for instance, providing access to nearby highways, or
>>>> places where a route splits into a one-way pair).
>>>> Does this sound plausible?
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