[Tagging] Pepper: Chili, piper, bell pepper

Tobias Zwick osm at westnordost.de
Mon Aug 21 15:41:05 UTC 2017

Any reason why you would prefer produce=chilli_pepper over produce=chili?

Generally, (not directly as an answer to you), subtagging with genus etc
are nice, but I am seeing this out of the perspective of the surveyor.

While a surveyor can surely distinguish apples from bananas, he may not
be able to distinguish Jonathans from Granny Smiths.
And the same holds for capsicum: He will be able to distinguish bell
pepper from chili, but not Jalapeno from Cayenne.

So, to the surveyor, it is absolutely irrelevant whether two commonly
known crops belong to the same biological genus or not but whether these
are distinguishable and commonly known as a different type of thing.


On 21/08/2017 11:06, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
> On 21.08.2017 01:57, marc marc wrote:
>> Le 21. 08. 17 à 00:07, Tod Fitch a écrit :
>>> e.g. black pepper corns could be “produce=pepper”, “variety=black_corn”.
>> subtab is very useful to have usable datas with a level of detail that
>> depends on the need.
> While I am generally in favour of subtagging, it would be insufficient
> here for distinguishing the spice from the vegetable. Tod only gave the
> example for the black spice. Piper nigrum and Capsicum are not varieties
> of the same thing.
> That's why the original poster proposed _produce=bell_pepper_ which
> however seems to be AmE, so the BrE equivalent would be
> _produce=sweet_pepper_.
> So the current definition would be:
> * produce=pepper
>   Spice (black, white, green peppercorns) harvested from the Piper
> nigrum plant.
> * produce=sweet_pepper
>   Vegetable from Capsicum annuum. Not spicy (containing insignificant
> amounts of Capsaicin).
> * produce=chilli_pepper
>   Fruit of plants from the genus Capsicum, produced for their spiciness
> from significant amounts of Capsaicin, with their heat measured on the
> Scoville scale.
> Now you can of course add variety=Habenero;Jalpeno;Red Cubanelle etc.
> tom
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