[Tagging] shop=fashion

Simon Poole simon at poole.ch
Sun Aug 27 13:04:10 UTC 2017


There is a big difference between a limited number of binary options
and  essentially moving all values in to key space (and I can give a lot
of reasons why it is a really really bad idea in a free form, user
extendible tagging system).

But it seems to be rather off-topic in this thread in any case: I simply
wanted to know if there is a clear characterisation of shop=fashion that
can serve as disambiguation between it and shop=boutique and
shop=clothes (with appropriate additional tags).

We have one voice saying that it should be considered a cheap variant of
boutique limited to clothes, and the others suggesting that it is an
upmarket shop=clothes and that shop=boutique should have a broader not
only clothes definition.

One takeaway is that adding the "clothes" tag both to fashion and
boutique would be a good idea.

Simon

Am 26.08.2017 um 13:53 schrieb Thilo Haug:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm in favor of a namespace solution,
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Namespace
> e.g.
>
> ski:clothes=yes
> surfing:clothes=yes
> motorcycle:clothes=yes
> any_other_sport:clothes=yes
>
> and so on.
>
> This way you may also tag other shops (not just shop=clothes)
> in a way which exactly describes their offers,
> in this example possibly a shop=sports.
>
> The same works also for other services they offer,
> like
> ski:repair=yes
> ski:rental=yes
> ski:parts=yes
>
> This way there's no need to create a new shop type
> or decide whether it's MORE one type of shop (bicycle vs. motorcycle
> vs. car or similar)
> in case they offer very various things.
>
> Cheers,
> Thilo
>
>
> Am 26.08.2017 um 13:13 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>>
>>
>> sent from a phone
>>
>> On 26. Aug 2017, at 11:15, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch
>> <mailto:simon at poole.ch>> wrote:
>>
>>> the question turned up if shop=fashion (with 5000 something uses)
>>> should not be deprecated (==not offered for new use) due to overlap with
>>> shop=boutique (~11'000 uses) and shop=clothes, clothes=fashion (not
>>> particularly popular with roughly 200 uses). It just doesn't seem to
>>> have a good definition, which is already pointed out on the wiki page
>>> (but without a conclusion).
>>
>>
>> I'd see shop=fashion similar with shop=boutique, while shop=clothes
>> is not particularly helpful if you're looking to buy clothes (too
>> generic). I'd roughly see it like this: boutique expensive, fashion
>> cheap(er), department store both, supermarket cheap ;-)
>>
>> What would I search for if I wanted to buy a suit or a shirt
>> (department shops apart which will sell you anything)? Maybe a
>> "boutique for men"? To buy gloves I'd try with a  shop=bags? Or
>> shop=leather? Or shop=sports? Or an outdoor shop? There are many
>> places to buy clothes, cheap, casual, formal, according to the
>> material, for work, gender, age, style, one brand/designer or
>> multiple, or no (known) designer, discounter, different types of
>> clothing (underwear, shirts, etc.
>> I'm rather against reduction of top level shop types, there's IMHO a
>> clear distinction between fashion shops and boutiques, with maybe
>> some edge cases, but still useful overall. Nonetheless I agree that
>> shop=clothes does require subtags to be more useful, but the current
>> situation in the clothes key is not working:
>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/clothes#values
>> There are many orthogonal, specific properties tagged, e.g. target
>> group (women, men, children, babies), for specific occasions/uses
>> (sports/wedding/workwear), materials (denim/fur), type
>> (underwear/lingerie). Fashion would be yet another new category in
>> this cauldron (with 111 uses it isn't really significant).
>>
>> cheers,
>> Martin 
>>
>>
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