[Tagging] shop=fuel

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Wed Jan 18 20:17:08 UTC 2017

On 19-Jan-17 06:48 AM, Marc Gemis wrote:
> I thought we went through this discussion on sell or vending a couple
> of months ago, where the fear was that we would start "importing" the
> sales catalogue of shops and that it would be very hard to maintain.

Yes. It was I who raised it.

Those who object to such detail don't have to add it, use it ... many won't use certain OSM tags now as they have nothing to do with them.
Some people on that thread requested more and more detail .. so I suggested ways that that could be done.
Then others said that was too much detail ... and there people that wanted the detail dissipated in to the eather.

> A vending machine typically sells 1 type of product, so there it is
> more or less doable.
> Still there will be people who would like to different between the
> types of bread or brands of candy or sodas in vending machines and
> start mapping that as well. Is this what we want ? Or is the current
> level of detail sufficient ?

Detail will get finer as time goes by.

Look at the highway tag ... now has incline, smoothness, surface ...

Progress is not necessarily good for all but will occur. If undirected it may well be uncoordinated.

OSM is now getting 'sells' tags by individual names ... meaning there will be a lot of new tags that will need some thought.

Examples of this are the present fuel, motorcycle and bicycle shops .. all separate sells tags that are individual schemes... little co-ordination.

Consider having each highway type with separate ways of tagging smoothness

motorways have evenness fine to poor

tracks have roughness; very to little

residential have smoothness 0 to 10

That is where shops selling detail is headed.

> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 4:35 PM, joost schouppe
> <joost.schouppe at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2017-01-18 15:33 GMT+01:00 Dave Swarthout <daveswarthout at gmail.com>:
>>> This tag started out being for a very specific type of shop that sells
>>> only one item, motor fuel, in small volume containers. There is a need to
>>> keep shops of this type separate from large full-service facilities that
>>> sell motor fuel in quantities large enough to refill cars or trucks. lt has
>>> now been expanded to include other types of fuel like kerosene and even
>>> charcoal. Fine. That's logical and sensible.
>>> But if you want to rework the tagging structure to handle such borderline
>>> cases as fuel shops that also sell bread, then I feel that would be
>>> defeating the original purpose of this tag. Where will these additions and
>>> modifications stop? A logical but not particularly useful extension of that
>>> reasoning might involve redefining the entire structure of the shop tag
>>> hierarchy by using shop=yes, bread=yes, Crest_brand_toothpaste=yes,
>>> fuel:diesel=yes, knitting_supplies=yes, etc. etc.
>> Well, I for one like to take a middle ground between what works now and what
>> we will probably need in the future.
>> Vending machines are mapped entirely according to this model, using
>> vending:*=* . By the logic we used for shop=*, it should have been
>> amenity=bread_vending_machine or amenity=vending_machine + bread=yes. The
>> vending:* tagging style makes it easier to process all sorts of data, and
>> easily allows further extension.
>> I wouldn't say we should change shop tagging styles to that. I was merely
>> taking the stated position that fuel shops should follow that structure to
>> its logical conclusion. And I'm starting to think we might actually have to
>> consider it to avoid ever further cluttering of the shop types.
>> __

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