[Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

[David Bannon]

On 07/03/17 04:55, Thilo Haug wrote:
> ......
>
> I (accidentally) unsubscribed because of the "spam" coming in,
> means I didn't get just messages regarding the topic.
>
Thilo, perhaps thats the underlying problem here ?  You read the rules 
on the wiki, complied with what you understood and now, I guess feel as 
if you are being treated a bit unfairly ?   However, I doubt that any 
proposal has succeeded where the proposer has not been a member of this 
list, been actively reading the messages at least and probably been 
contributing as well.

The truth is that not all the "rules" are on the wiki, there is a huge 
quantity of community knowledge, not actual rules, and much of it is 
accessible via this list. We have a large number of very experienced  
database, rendering, mapping, cultural experts who live here (no, I'm 
not one!). They comment on a proposal and help a proposal comply with 
the OSM culture. Their "rules" are not written down as the document 
would run to 100's pages and we'd never agree on the content. Written 
rules have to cover every possible situation. Too hard.

This list is very welcoming, always open to new ideas and not, in any 
way, locked into particular policies. Within the list you will find 
widely differing views but always respect for others.

To solve your problem Thilo, you could do a number of things. Firstly, 
tags in OSM do not need be approved. I, personally don't recommend 
unapproved tags but lots will disagree with me. Alternatively, its 
relatively easy to put your own data, as an overlay, onto an OSM map. 
Keep you data privately or put it into one of the public POI databases. 
But really, I strongly recommend you keep trying as you are, refine and 
improve your proposal with the help of the mailing list, understand why 
OSM "rules" are what they are. You can then make a good tag, one that 
can be used around the world and rendered on lots of maps.

By the way, I would not recommend the digest approach, I found it harder 
to assign time to. Digest users, when replying, often seem to forget to 
change the message title and are not always taken seriously :-)

David


>
> Am 06.03.2017 um 18:09 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>>
>> 2017-03-06 17:46 GMT+01:00 Michael Reichert <nakaner at gmx.net 
>> <mailto:nakaner at gmx.net>>:
>>
>>     Hi Martin and others,
>>
>>     Am 2017-03-06 um 17:37 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>>     > yes, that wording is unfortunate, because in most/many OSM
>>     mailing lists
>>     > messages never get approved. I am myself admin of a very small
>>     regional ML
>>     > and from time to time there are periods where a lot of spam
>>     arrives, I can
>>     > imagine checking held back messages in the big lists would be a
>>     lot of work
>>     > (and mostly consist in rejecting spam). You would also have to
>>     do it daily,
>>     > because after some time many messages will seem out of context.
>>
>>     I have changed the wording of the wiki page Proposal_Process today to
>>     stress the necessity to subscribe the Tagging mailing list. Feel
>>     free to
>>     modify/revert it if you don't like it.
>>
>>
>>
>> As you name me in person: I was not referring to the wording in the 
>> wiki but the wording of the mailing list autoresponder message in 
>> case someone not subscribed sends a message (and from the reply might 
>> get to the impression that it will pass, which it in fact almost 
>> never does for any of the OSM lists).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Martin
>>
>>
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