[Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

Thilo Haug thaug at gmx.de
Tue Mar 7 09:58:05 UTC 2017

Hi David,

it's not (anymore) about "treated a bit unfairly",
but to avoid futher issues like that.

The automatic reply has to be misunderstood (what Martin was referring
to Mon, 6 Mar 2017 17:37:52 +0100)
and will lead to "process problems" like the current (as long as the
promised check by the "moderator" doesn't take place).

I'm not really sure about which issue you talk in the 2nd part of your
message "not actual rules",
do you refer to my entry in the proposal about a "code of conduct" ?

Regarding the 3rd part ("tags in OSM") :
I wanted to have this tag harmonized,, but there was little to no
reaction on my proposal mail.

After the voting had taken place and more noticed the wiki entry,
there was at least a question about the definition of "yes",
which I appreciated :
(while there were also some nit-picker questions as well in both, wiki
and proposal).

"own data, as an overlay" doesn't make sense to me in this case,
as it's data the community should collect, not the transformation of
existing data collections
("motorcycle friendly" web pages, as they are often randomly listing
This is the motivation of this tag.

Didn't understand what you mean with "digest approach" ?


Am 07.03.2017 um 04:15 schrieb David Bannon:
> On 07/03/17 04:55, Thilo Haug wrote:
>> ......
>> I (accidentally) unsubscribed because of the "spam" coming in,
>> means I didn't get just messages regarding the topic.
> Thilo, perhaps thats the underlying problem here ?  You read the rules
> on the wiki, complied with what you understood and now, I guess feel
> as if you are being treated a bit unfairly ?   However, I doubt that
> any proposal has succeeded where the proposer has not been a member of
> this list, been actively reading the messages at least and probably
> been contributing as well.
> The truth is that not all the "rules" are on the wiki, there is a huge
> quantity of community knowledge, not actual rules, and much of it is
> accessible via this list. We have a large number of very experienced 
> database, rendering, mapping, cultural experts who live here (no, I'm
> not one!). They comment on a proposal and help a proposal comply with
> the OSM culture. Their "rules" are not written down as the document
> would run to 100's pages and we'd never agree on the content. Written
> rules have to cover every possible situation. Too hard.
> This list is very welcoming, always open to new ideas and not, in any
> way, locked into particular policies. Within the list you will find
> widely differing views but always respect for others.
> To solve your problem Thilo, you could do a number of things. Firstly,
> tags in OSM do not need be approved. I, personally don't recommend
> unapproved tags but lots will disagree with me. Alternatively, its
> relatively easy to put your own data, as an overlay, onto an OSM map.
> Keep you data privately or put it into one of the public POI
> databases. But really, I strongly recommend you keep trying as you
> are, refine and improve your proposal with the help of the mailing
> list, understand why OSM "rules" are what they are. You can then make
> a good tag, one that can be used around the world and rendered on lots
> of maps.
> By the way, I would not recommend the digest approach, I found it
> harder to assign time to. Digest users, when replying, often seem to
> forget to change the message title and are not always taken seriously :-)
> David
>> Am 06.03.2017 um 18:09 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>>> 2017-03-06 17:46 GMT+01:00 Michael Reichert <nakaner at gmx.net
>>> <mailto:nakaner at gmx.net>>:
>>>     Hi Martin and others,
>>>     Am 2017-03-06 um 17:37 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>>>     > yes, that wording is unfortunate, because in most/many OSM
>>>     mailing lists
>>>     > messages never get approved. I am myself admin of a very small
>>>     regional ML
>>>     > and from time to time there are periods where a lot of spam
>>>     arrives, I can
>>>     > imagine checking held back messages in the big lists would be
>>>     a lot of work
>>>     > (and mostly consist in rejecting spam). You would also have to
>>>     do it daily,
>>>     > because after some time many messages will seem out of context.
>>>     I have changed the wording of the wiki page Proposal_Process
>>>     today to
>>>     stress the necessity to subscribe the Tagging mailing list. Feel
>>>     free to
>>>     modify/revert it if you don't like it.
>>> As you name me in person: I was not referring to the wording in the
>>> wiki but the wording of the mailing list autoresponder message in
>>> case someone not subscribed sends a message (and from the reply
>>> might get to the impression that it will pass, which it in fact
>>> almost never does for any of the OSM lists).
>>> Cheers,
>>> Martin
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