[Tagging] Undiscussed changes for wki pages about access mode "designated".

[Dalibor Jelínek]

Hello,
I fully aggree that this change is undesirable.

If you want to use an access type key lets say bicycle=* then you go to this page for documentation
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle
and you are refered to the Key:access page for values.
And there you see that it is discouraged.
The same is true for all other access keys. They all refer to that page with values definitiion.

Dalibor (chrabros)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mariusz [mailto:mariusz24 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:56 PM
> To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Undiscussed changes for wki pages about access mode
> "designated".
> 
> W dniu 2017-03-10 o 20:25, Frederik Ramm pisze:
> >
> > As far as I can see the change you are referring to is
> >
> >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key%3Aaccess&type=re
> v
> > ision&diff=1440112&oldid=1439975
> >
> > before that, "access=designated" wasn't even on the "Key:access" page,
> > and Verdy_p added it there:
> >
> > ''(disapproved)'' A preferred or designated route for the class of
> > traffic specified by the tag key, such as {{tag|foot|designated}}.
> > Using this value with the plain access key, {{tag|access|designated}},
> > has no meaning, and should '''not''' be used. ''(see [[#Transport mode
> > restrictions]])''
> 
> This is obviously incorrect change, as this page is about all access keys, not
> single "access" tag.
> The notation he used suggests that the value "designated" is deprecated.
> The wording is inconvenient, the strike-through font for designated is
> misleading.
> 
> > On https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated,
> > Verdy_p added a banner saying "NOTE! The exact key/value combination
> > access=designated should never appear on an object. The value
> > *=designated must be used with a specific mode of transport. Examples:
> > bicycle=designated or foot=designated." - he made this change without
> > any change comment.
> >
> > The user rafmar (you?) seems to have assumed that Verdy_p wanted to
> > discourage the use of all "designated" values, but to be fair to
> > Verdy_p, the banner explicitly says you SHOULD use the "designated"
> > value, just not with the "access" key.
> 
> I'm pretty sure he wanted discouraged only "access=designated", not
> foot=designated or bicycle=designated, but he failed.
> Unfortunately, this wiki article is for all *=designated tags, as the
> foot/bicycle/horse tag pages redirect to that page. Some changes are
> necessary, but not that kind.
> 
> > BUT in this particular case, rafmar's complaint seems to be unfounded
> > and based on a misunderstanding.
> 
> Imagine, you are beginner and want to find if it is ok to use foot=designated
> tag. What wiki page says so now?
> 
> Mariusz/rafmar
> 
> 
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