[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Sinkholes refinement

André Pirard A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com
Wed Nov 15 21:41:00 UTC 2017 

On 2017-11-14 19:34, David Marchal wrote:
> Hi, Yuri.
>
> Though I understand your request and find it relevant, I’m unsure
> about altering a proposal page after the vote had started; AFAIK, I’m
> supposed to let it as is, apart from the vote section. Could you show
> me if my assumption is wrong, or can someone on the ML confirm or
> infirm that?
>
> Awaiting your answers,
Here is one.
I'm rather surprised by this remark.
I agree that a proposal which is what other persons "signed" must not be
changed.
But there are so many undiscussed changes to the wiki*_s_* (even
unnotified ones, do you remember that noexit=yes story battle? I'm
keeping the most stupid of it yet to be told) that I would praise, not
blame, Yuri for his general way of doing.
I would suggest to leave the proposal alone, except for mentioning the
following, to create a final wiki page and to ask the consent of this
list for minor modifications, especially correcting typos.

And here is one correction, with wider justification...

If I had voted (I didn't have the occasion, sorry), I would have put as
a yes voting condition to change
"Give a way to distinguish the different types of sinkholes" with "...
of natural=sinkhole
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dsinkhole><https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dsinkhole>
(read that article)".

The reason is

  * that foreigners non-English speakers (everyone is a foreigner to
    most of the world) are liable to ignore what is a sinkhole is, and
    that it would be a shame to spoil its unusually great description in
    natural=sinkhole
    <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dsinkhole> to tell
    them
  * that one could believe that sinkhole=*
    <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sinkhole> can
    go without natural=sinkhole
    <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dsinkhole>.
    OK, it's explained below but...
  * that I suppose that many a one quickly read as far as they think
    they have understood and that any means to make them feel that there
    is more to it is welcome
  * that too many wiki articles use insufficient definitions (e.g.
    source=survey has improved but would need a link to the explanation
    inside) and
  * the net result of that is many mapping mistakes (such as the totally
    useless bicycle=yes)
  * the most regrettable result is GPS mistakes because routing logic
    obeys exactly what it's told

Cheers

André.


> Regards.
>
>> Le 12 nov. 2017 à 21:17, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan at gmail.com
>> <mailto:yuriastrakhan at gmail.com>> a écrit :
>>
>> David, hi, just an thought - could you combine the rationale and
>> examples sections?  The way you have it now is first you describe
>> each concept, and afterwards you have the same concept but with a
>> picture.  I think it would be better to list each variant with the
>> picture right away.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 8:30 AM David Marchal <penegal at live.fr
>> <mailto:penegal at live.fr>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello, there.
>>
>>     Almost 3 weeks passed and only 3 people told that they preferred
>>     karst=yes instead of karstic=yes. As the first one was also the
>>     one stated as the proposal, and the second one was only mentioned
>>     in erroneous examples, I assume this relative unanimity is enough
>>     to confirm karst=yes as the one to use, and will create the wiki
>>     page accordingly. Thanks to all who voted; the proposal process
>>     is now fully finished, apart from creating all the Wiki pages.
>>
>>     Regards.
>>
>>
>>>     Le 24 oct. 2017 à 19:16, David Marchal <penegal at live.fr
>>>     <mailto:penegal at live.fr>> a écrit :
>>>
>>>     Hello, there.
>>>
>>>     The vote period passed, and the proposal received a total of 16
>>>     approvals, 1 spoilt vote and 0 refusals, so I closed the vote
>>>     and marked the proposal as approved. Thanks to all the voters;
>>>     I’ll create the according Wiki pages and edit existing ones to
>>>     reflect the vote on the following days.
>>>
>>>     As a side note, there is a secondary vote on the proposal page;
>>>     indeed, some voters noticed an inconsistency in the proposal,
>>>     ie. a proposal example carried karstic=yes tagging instead of
>>>     the proposed karst=yes. To make sure of what version the voters
>>>     approved, I have to ask them to go back on the proposal page and
>>>     vote, in the dedicated subsection, amongst karstic=yes or
>>>     karst=yes. Once the choice will have been asserted, I’ll be able
>>>     to create the corresponding Wiki page.
>>>
>>>     Thanking you for your patience, and awaiting your votes,
>>>
>>>     Regards.
>>>
>>>>     Le 8 oct. 2017 à 09:51, David Marchal <penegal at live.fr
>>>>     <mailto:penegal at live.fr>> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>     Hello, there.
>>>>
>>>>     The normal voting duration passed, but there are not enough
>>>>     votes yet to approve or reject the proposal, so I extend the
>>>>     voting period by two weeks to allow latecomers to vote.
>>>>
>>>>     Awaiting your votes,
>>>>
>>>>     Reagrds.
>>>>
>>>>>     Le 26 sept. 2017 à 20:26, David Marchal <penegal at live.fr
>>>>>     <mailto:penegal at live.fr>> a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hello, there.
>>>>>
>>>>>     As this proposal has been RFCed more than 2 weeks ago, and
>>>>>     that comments have been addressed, I’m now putting it on vote.
>>>>>     Please go on the proposal page
>>>>>     (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sinkholes_refinement)
>>>>>     to vote.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Awaiting your votes,
>>>>>
>>>>>     Regards.
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