[Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Education Reform

Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdreist at gmail.com
Mon Nov 20 11:03:08 UTC 2017


2017-11-20 11:04 GMT+01:00 Erkin Alp G├╝ney <erkinalp9035 at gmail.com>:

>
> > What about dance / music (singing / instruments, ...) / schools?
> > Academies? Conservatories? Professional schools?
> education=specialty
>


I'm not convinced. Why is there an education=driving or administrative, but
an academy of fine arts (similar to a university) or conservatory (might be
similar to a university) go into the same category as a dance school (could
be several levels, from the hobbyist leisure dance school to professional
preparation) or the music school kids go 1 time a week? This seems complete
arbitrary.
IMHO a good proposal should not need a "catch-all" tag for the rest (i.e.
what wasn't thought of earlier) which basically shifts meaningful tagging
into a subtag. If we already undertake the step to create a new top level
key just for education, all cases should fit into the same scheme (i.e. if
there is education=driving, there should also be education=dancing or
education=gliding, but this would mean "education" is about the topic, and
not about the level which would be implied by terms like "university" or
"graduate" or "vocational").

It should be clear, what the meaning of the "education" tags is (kind of
classification/criterion). Level of education? Field of studies? Then there
should be subtags with distinct meaning that cater each for a property
(which must be isolated/defined).

I would also expect suggestions for several more details that aren't
covered yet, e.g. male, female / both-(etc.), mixed age classes or not or
maybe even both (e.g. relevant for kindergarten), etc.


What about the kind of specialization for general-education (e.g. classical
education (latin and greek), scientific, artistic, etc.)?

There's not much about a rationale, e.g. what do you consider "all
educational facilities/institutions" and based on which criterion? E.g.
what about a shooting club, aren't people going there to learn how to
safely handle a gun, and how to use it / improve their ability? Similar
things can be said about a lot of clubs / associations. When does it fall
under "education"? This ambiguity together with instances like "university"
(not just education) are the reason it could be generally worth to question
a restructuring under a new "education" key according to this criterion.




> > Subtags how to tag the specialization (if any), about the degress you
> > can get, institutes and faculties, etc.).
> These tags already exist. Institutes and faculties are now covered in
> "how to tag universities and mixed campuses" section of the proposal.



it may be my cultural background, but I would not use the term "school" for
parts of a university.
The new relation type=institution remains mysterious, there are 7 instances
of it in the db, but no documentation whatsoever. Is this a kind of
"collection"? Can't we use a standard relation like "multipolygon" or
"site" (ok, there's the common problem with universities that they have
many different locations, often even single faculties have different
locations, and it would be desirable to have a method to connect e.g. 2
site relations to one entity, I think sometimes we are doing this with
operator and name tags, but it is not very reliable or consistent,
something should indeed be introduced). Is "institution" only used for
educational features? It would probably merit a whole new proposal.
If college is "obsolete", does this mean colleges should be tagged as
universities?

What about police schools, or military schools? Are those handled with a
"military" (e.g.) property on a university or vocational school element, or
are they new main values?

Cheers,
Martin
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