[Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Education Reform

Marc Gemis marc.gemis at gmail.com
Mon Nov 20 11:19:36 UTC 2017

What is the difference with the rejected Education 2.0 proposal from
2016 ? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Education_2.0

Aren't we repeating all the arguments again ?


On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
<dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2017-11-20 11:04 GMT+01:00 Erkin Alp G├╝ney <erkinalp9035 at gmail.com>:
>> > What about dance / music (singing / instruments, ...) / schools?
>> > Academies? Conservatories? Professional schools?
>> education=specialty
> I'm not convinced. Why is there an education=driving or administrative, but
> an academy of fine arts (similar to a university) or conservatory (might be
> similar to a university) go into the same category as a dance school (could
> be several levels, from the hobbyist leisure dance school to professional
> preparation) or the music school kids go 1 time a week? This seems complete
> arbitrary.
> IMHO a good proposal should not need a "catch-all" tag for the rest (i.e.
> what wasn't thought of earlier) which basically shifts meaningful tagging
> into a subtag. If we already undertake the step to create a new top level
> key just for education, all cases should fit into the same scheme (i.e. if
> there is education=driving, there should also be education=dancing or
> education=gliding, but this would mean "education" is about the topic, and
> not about the level which would be implied by terms like "university" or
> "graduate" or "vocational").
> It should be clear, what the meaning of the "education" tags is (kind of
> classification/criterion). Level of education? Field of studies? Then there
> should be subtags with distinct meaning that cater each for a property
> (which must be isolated/defined).
> I would also expect suggestions for several more details that aren't covered
> yet, e.g. male, female / both-(etc.), mixed age classes or not or maybe even
> both (e.g. relevant for kindergarten), etc.
> What about the kind of specialization for general-education (e.g. classical
> education (latin and greek), scientific, artistic, etc.)?
> There's not much about a rationale, e.g. what do you consider "all
> educational facilities/institutions" and based on which criterion? E.g. what
> about a shooting club, aren't people going there to learn how to safely
> handle a gun, and how to use it / improve their ability? Similar things can
> be said about a lot of clubs / associations. When does it fall under
> "education"? This ambiguity together with instances like "university" (not
> just education) are the reason it could be generally worth to question a
> restructuring under a new "education" key according to this criterion.
>> > Subtags how to tag the specialization (if any), about the degress you
>> > can get, institutes and faculties, etc.).
>> These tags already exist. Institutes and faculties are now covered in
>> "how to tag universities and mixed campuses" section of the proposal.
> it may be my cultural background, but I would not use the term "school" for
> parts of a university.
> The new relation type=institution remains mysterious, there are 7 instances
> of it in the db, but no documentation whatsoever. Is this a kind of
> "collection"? Can't we use a standard relation like "multipolygon" or "site"
> (ok, there's the common problem with universities that they have many
> different locations, often even single faculties have different locations,
> and it would be desirable to have a method to connect e.g. 2 site relations
> to one entity, I think sometimes we are doing this with operator and name
> tags, but it is not very reliable or consistent, something should indeed be
> introduced). Is "institution" only used for educational features? It would
> probably merit a whole new proposal.
> If college is "obsolete", does this mean colleges should be tagged as
> universities?
> What about police schools, or military schools? Are those handled with a
> "military" (e.g.) property on a university or vocational school element, or
> are they new main values?
> Cheers,
> Martin
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