[Tagging] building=stands or building=grandstand?

[Warin]

 From the leisure=stadium discussion page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:leisure%3Dstadium#Do_stands_count_as_a_building.3F 


Looks like 'stands' may be seating without a roof. I have tagged some 
smaller areas with the bench tag ...would be tedious to do this for a 
lager area.

It may be derived from the old cheapest entry to a sports facility that 
had no seats - you stood thus described as 'stands'.
It had no building - just a sloped surface.

On 28-Oct-17 11:13 AM, Warin wrote:
> Tom - don't think I'm attacking you personally.
> Just trying to get good practices for myself.
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> On 28-Oct-17 10:04 AM, Marco Boeringa wrote:
>> Warin,
>>
>> Tom did not totally remove the reference to "building=stands", it is 
>> listed as discouraged on the new "building=grandstand" Wiki page.
>>
>> As to "building=grandstand", although undocumented, I have seen this 
>> used on exactly the type of structure Tom included. Of course, the 
>> difference as to what constitutes a full stadium and / or just a 
>> grandstand is a bit vague, and users to some extent use them 
>> interchangeably. But in general, I have seen two uses:
>>
>> - Used on a single "building=grandstand" that was the only feature 
>> around a playing field
>>
>> - Used on individual sections of a full concentric 
>> "building=stadium", or multiple disjunct "building=grandstand" 
>> features surrounding the playing field.
>
> Possibly 'stadium' needs to be resolved with 'grandstand'.
> If the 'stadium' is simple a joined 'grandstand' them possibly 
> 'stadium' needs to be discouraged?
>
> Humm
> The 'stadium' wikipedia definition includes the playing area (the 
> pitch/track) so it is not just a building.
> My dictionary says it even includes the parking area. Another reason 
> to discourage 'stadium'.
>
>>
>> As I wrote in my first post, the tag itself is at least 4 years old, 
>> and maybe much longer. Just needed documentation, as Tom now did. 
>> Thanks Tom!
>>
>> *** Tom, just one other remark:***
>>
>> In the "Tagging mistakes" section, you referenced "building=stand", 
>> which also exists according to the TagInfo table next to it, but the 
>> original new tag I saw was "building=stands(!)" so plural 
>> (https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=building%3Dstands). I 
>> think you need to include this second discouraged tag as well... 
>> Currently, "building=stands" has even more uses (244) then 
>> "building=stand" (85)
> And possibly now "building=stadium"?
>>
>> Marco
>>
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>> Op 27-10-2017 om 23:53 schreef Warin:
>>> On 28-Oct-17 08:18 AM, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
>>>> On 27.10.2017 22:16, Warin wrote:
>>>>>>> discouraging the new tag preferably, 
>>>>>> done
>>>>> Object.
>>>>> No contact with mappers using that value.
>>>>
>>>> The usage was discouraged for this purpose, neither forbidden nor 
>>>> deprecated.
>>>> No tagging in the database was changed (by myself).
>>>
>>> Yet the wiki reference was totally removed from the wiki.
>>> I think leaving the mention of it on the wiki, but putting a line 
>>> through it and placing comments on the wiki discussion page would be 
>>> better way of discouragement. That is the way I have seen it done 
>>> for discouragement in the past.
>>> I think the removal may be provocation to an edit war?
>>>
>>> Before the removal it said ...
>>> "A big tribunes. " and showed the same photo as stadium.
>>> So possibly 'stands' is 'stadium' rather than 'grandstand'.