[Tagging] When was the deprecation of location=kiosk for power=substation discussed?
marc marc
marc_marc_irc at hotmail.com
Thu Apr 26 10:22:25 UTC 2018
if the "cabinet" is large enough for a person to enter,
it's better to use building=*
a cabinet only host hardware, it isn't git enought to allow a person to
enter.
in both case location=kiosk is imho wrong.
Le 26. 04. 18 à 12:14, Peter Elderson a écrit :
> Looks like it's australian, to call a power substation a power kiosk. It
> converts the high voltage to low voltage and distributes power to
> households. Just 'kiosk' is confusing to me.
> Dutch: kiosk=small selling booth for small articles e.g. newspapers,
> sweets, drinks. Mainly found on railway stations.
>
> 2018-04-26 11:56 GMT+02:00 John Sturdy <jcg.sturdy at gmail.com
> <mailto:jcg.sturdy at gmail.com>>:
>
> To me, as a native British-English speaker, "kiosk" doesn't seem to
> be the right word for these. A kiosk is normally something that
> *is* large enough for a person to enter (typically, someone selling
> something through a hatch).
>
> __John
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:53 PM, José G Moya Y. <josemoya at gmail.com
> <mailto:josemoya at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> It was François Lacombe on this list 9n Jan 2, 2018.
> El mié., 3 de enero de 2018 0:14, François Lacombe
> <fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com <mailto:fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com>>
> escribió:
>
> Hi,
>
> Regarding this location=kiosk topic, a discussion was opened
> on talk page of power=substation key.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets>
>
> Since no big issue has been raised, I've updated mentionned
> wiki pages (with French version when available) with
> man_made=street_cabinet.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet>
>
> location=kiosk is not a recommended value anymore and it's
> encouraged to replace it manually and carefully with
> man_made=street_cabinet + street_cabinet=power
>
> location key can now be used everytime to give the right
> substation/transformer's location, in cabinet or not.
> We can have underground or indoor cabinets like this :
> man_made=street_cabinet
> street_cabinet=power
> power=substation
> substation=minor_distribution
> location=underground or indoor or ...
>
> All the best
>
> François
>
> 2017-11-04 11:45 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe
> <fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com <mailto:fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com>>:
>
> Hi
>
> The man_made=street_cabinet key sounds suitable to map
> items described with power=substation + location=kiosk.
> They are actual small cabinets like those where no
> technician can enter to work (opposite of building) :
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg>
>
> Street cabinet is the container while substation is the
> function.
>
> Wiki example on this page gives follwing tags:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples>
> power=substation
> substation=minor_distribution
> location=kiosk
>
> I propose to update it as such :
> man_made=street_cabinet
> street_cabinet=power
> power=substation
> substation=minor_distribution
> location=pavement (or wherever the cabinet is located)
>
> It works both for nodes or areas.
> Additionnal advantage is to get location=* back to give
> cabinet position instead of substation design (there was
> issues to tag underground kiosks for instance)
> There are 7k objects in db:
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk
> <https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk>
>
> Pages to update are :
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet>
>
> How do you feel about it ?
>
> There are no need of a time consuming formal proposal to
> deal with this question.
> Without further coments, i will update wiki pages in 15
> days.
> No automated edits.
>
> Thanks for your time
>
> François
>
>
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> El mié., 25 de abril de 2018 21:32, Michael Reichert
> <osm-ml at michreichert.de <mailto:osm-ml at michreichert.de>> escribió:
>
> Hi,
>
> while adding a substation to OSM yesterday I looked up the
> possible
> values of location=* and missed kiosk. A short glance in the
> history
> showes that it removed location=kiosk from the page on
> 2018-01-02. The
> edit description mentions
> man_made=street_cabinet+street_cabinet=power
> as a replacement.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685>
>
> location=kiosk was introduced by the approved Substation
> Refinement
> Proposal in 2013.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation>
>
> man_made=street_cabinet was introduced by the Street Cabinet
> Proposal in
> 2014.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet>
> This proposal does not mention substations or transformers
> at all.
>
> I think that small substations are not street cabinets
> because they are
> much larger than street cabinets and are usually not located
> on the
> sidewalk but next to it on a separate area.
>
> I don't remember a discussion of this change, do you? If no,
> I propose
> to revert this change on the wiki.
>
> Best regards
>
> Michael
>
>
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