[Tagging] When was the deprecation of location=kiosk for power=substation discussed?
Andrew Davidson
theswavu at gmail.com
Thu Apr 26 22:50:49 UTC 2018
https://www.ausgrid.com.au/Common/Customer-Services/In-your-neighbourhood/Network-projects/Kiosks-and-pillars/Kiosk-substations.aspx
Still wouldn't recommend the use of the word.
On 27/4/18 08:23, Warin wrote:
> The use of the word 'kiosk' may be a jargon use within the power industry?
> Or it could be that the size is similar to a normal 'kiosk'?
> Maybe the original user could provide some information as to the true
> source?
>
> On 26/04/18 20:33, nwastra wrote:
>> Australians also know a kiosk as a small selling booth for small
>> articles e.g. newspapers, sweets, drinks often found on central city
>> railway stations.
>>
>> N
>>
>> On 26 Apr 2018, at 8:22 pm, James <james2432 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:james2432 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> @Peter, Same here in Canada. No one calls a substation a kiosk here
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 6:16 AM Peter Elderson, <pelderson at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:pelderson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks like it's australian, to call a power substation a power
>>> kiosk. It converts the high voltage to low voltage and
>>> distributes power to households. Just 'kiosk' is confusing to me.
>>> Dutch: kiosk=small selling booth for small articles e.g.
>>> newspapers, sweets, drinks. Mainly found on railway stations.
>>>
>>> 2018-04-26 11:56 GMT+02:00 John Sturdy <jcg.sturdy at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:jcg.sturdy at gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>> To me, as a native British-English speaker, "kiosk" doesn't
>>> seem to be the right word for these. A kiosk is normally
>>> something that *is* large enough for a person to enter
>>> (typically, someone selling something through a hatch).
>>>
>>> __John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:53 PM, José G Moya Y.
>>> <josemoya at gmail.com <mailto:josemoya at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It was François Lacombe on this list 9n Jan 2, 2018.
>>> El mié., 3 de enero de 2018 0:14, François Lacombe
>>> <fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com>> escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Regarding this location=kiosk topic, a discussion was
>>> opened on talk page of power=substation key.
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets
>>>
>>>
>>> Since no big issue has been raised, I've updated
>>> mentionned wiki pages (with French version when
>>> available) with man_made=street_cabinet.
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet
>>>
>>> location=kiosk is not a recommended value anymore and
>>> it's encouraged to replace it manually and carefully
>>> with man_made=street_cabinet + street_cabinet=power
>>>
>>> location key can now be used everytime to give the
>>> right substation/transformer's location, in cabinet
>>> or not.
>>> We can have underground or indoor cabinets like this :
>>> man_made=street_cabinet
>>> street_cabinet=power
>>> power=substation
>>> substation=minor_distribution
>>> location=underground or indoor or ...
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> François
>>>
>>> 2017-11-04 11:45 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe
>>> <fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> The man_made=street_cabinet key sounds suitable
>>> to map items described with power=substation +
>>> location=kiosk.
>>> They are actual small cabinets like those where
>>> no technician can enter to work (opposite of
>>> building) :
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg
>>>
>>> Street cabinet is the container while substation
>>> is the function.
>>>
>>> Wiki example on this page gives follwing tags:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples
>>> power=substation
>>> substation=minor_distribution
>>> location=kiosk
>>>
>>> I propose to update it as such :
>>> man_made=street_cabinet
>>> street_cabinet=power
>>> power=substation
>>> substation=minor_distribution
>>> location=pavement (or wherever the cabinet is
>>> located)
>>>
>>> It works both for nodes or areas.
>>> Additionnal advantage is to get location=* back
>>> to give cabinet position instead of substation
>>> design (there was issues to tag underground
>>> kiosks for instance)
>>> There are 7k objects in db:
>>>
>>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk
>>>
>>> Pages to update are :
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet
>>>
>>> How do you feel about it ?
>>>
>>> There are no need of a time consuming formal
>>> proposal to deal with this question.
>>> Without further coments, i will update wiki pages
>>> in 15 days.
>>> No automated edits.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your time
>>>
>>> François
>>>
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>>> El mié., 25 de abril de 2018 21:32, Michael Reichert
>>> <osm-ml at michreichert.de <mailto:osm-ml at michreichert.de>>
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> while adding a substation to OSM yesterday I looked
>>> up the possible
>>> values of location=* and missed kiosk. A short glance
>>> in the history
>>> showes that it removed location=kiosk from the page
>>> on 2018-01-02. The
>>> edit description mentions
>>> man_made=street_cabinet+street_cabinet=power
>>> as a replacement.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685
>>>
>>>
>>> location=kiosk was introduced by the approved
>>> Substation Refinement
>>> Proposal in 2013.
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation
>>>
>>>
>>> man_made=street_cabinet was introduced by the Street
>>> Cabinet Proposal in
>>> 2014.
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet
>>> This proposal does not mention substations or
>>> transformers at all.
>>>
>>> I think that small substations are not street
>>> cabinets because they are
>>> much larger than street cabinets and are usually not
>>> located on the
>>> sidewalk but next to it on a separate area.
>>>
>>> I don't remember a discussion of this change, do you?
>>> If no, I propose
>>> to revert this change on the wiki.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
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