[Tagging] consensus needed: officially a town but visibly distinct settlements?
José G Moya Y.
josemoya at gmail.com
Sat Aug 18 14:10:15 UTC 2018
Plwase take into notice that, in some countries, the difference between
suburb, hamlet, town or village is not only based on population but in
political issues, such as self-government, also.
When I see my hometown is defined as "aldea" (hamlet) in wikidata I always
got angry, because, being statistically a hamlet (~200 people), it *is*
politically a *village* (it elects its own town major and has its own self
government and budget).
There are many such villages in Spain, (specially in the "Spanish Finland",
the demographic desert between Soria and Teruel) and that is a point of
conflict with many EU directives that request villages provide services a
such small villages can't afford.
El sáb., 18 ago. 2018 15:10, Michael Tsang <miklcct at gmail.com> escribió:
> Dear all,
> I visited the whole Curonian Spit last month (the whole 100 km from
> Zelenogradsk to Smiltynė) and made some edits on it according to
> from my eye. These edits got reverted on the basis that I have "no local
> knowledge" (I made the edits completely on observations - "If it looks
> like a
> duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a
> Basically there were 2 sets of edit which got reverted, I am going to
> focus on
> the issue of settlement tagging here (another set is road tagging):
> 1. I have marked the settlements from Nida to Alksnynė, from suburb to
> village/hamlet, because they are clearly distinct settlements from eyes,
> separated by the forest, and relabelled Neringa to be a municipality.
> One more reason of that is we are expecting the name "Nida" shown as the
> because we, as a tourist, is expecting to visit Nida (that town is
> known as Nida rather than Neringa)
> The changesets are 61735279 and 61735890. If we look at the history of
> and Alksnynė, they were mapped as town and hamlet respectively initially,
> got changed to suburb about 3 years ago.
> Smiltynė can be reasonably considered part of Klaipėda (only a short ferry
> ride) so it is a suburb out of question.
> According to the wiki, "OSM's usage of 'suburb' is different than that
> used by
> North American English, where a suburb is "an area, often residential,
> of a central city". Often these suburbs are distinct settlements and will
> tagged as place=village, place=town, or place=city, depending on factors
> as population." What I see those settlements seems to be the North
> definition because they are distinct residential areas outside the central
> town Nida.
> These got reverted in 61762622, saying (translated) "Bookmark management
> (canceled guessing without local knowledge)" and a comment is left on my
> changeset 61735279 "Reverted incorrect change with no local knowledge.",
> "Whole Curonian Spit is officialy one town. Therefore no hamlets inside."
> Well, the southern settlements, Morskoye, Rybachy and Lesnoy, have been
> since the beginning villages and hamlets with no change afterwards, but
> are officially belongs to the same "Curonian Spit rural settlement",
> to Nida to Alksnynė which officially belongs to "Neringa municipality"
> its capital in Nida.
> So I doubt if it is reasonable to mark those settlements "which belongs to
> city municipality (although there is no true city there) but distinct
> (seperated by forest) from a naked eye" as "suburb", rather than
> hamlet/etc, and need community consensus on this.
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