[Tagging] ATMs and cashback

seirra general at sarifria.x10.bz
Fri Aug 24 14:38:18 UTC 2018

i can confirm this to be the case. where i work the cashback procedure 
is indeed just a signature of the receipt. As far as i know ATMs that 
issue £5 notes tend to for a long time, i don't recall any here suddenly 
stopping. source on why it may be valuable information to some (note the 
small number that do): 
an extra way to verify for link ATMs specifically: 
https://www.link.co.uk/consumers/locator/ where i work there are three 
ATMs, however people still often request cashback due to the fact it 
saves the extra trip (and the closest ATM is difficult to troubleshoot 
if it goes down, i don't think the operator is local). so cash machines 
are verifiable by survey, or by checking official sources; cashback 
would be purely survey. ATMs can also offer phone top ups 
(vending=telephone_vouchers?) and pin change services. all of these 
should be surveyable.

On 08/24/18 14:15, Paul Allen wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 1:44 PM, Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk 
> <mailto:phil at trigpoint.me.uk>> wrote:
>     On Fri, 2018-08-24 at 14:22 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>     How is this verifiable? Do they write it on the machine what kind
>>     of notes are contained?
>     Certainly not verifiable, sometimes they may give you a choice but
>     not always.
> Some ATMs do say what notes they MAY dispense.  That was fairly common 
> back when they switched from dispensing
> £5 and £10 to £10 and £20.  Sure, if you go to a £10/£20 machine it 
> may have run out of £10 notes.  Sure, if you go to
> a £5/£10/£20 machine (they do exist) it might have run out of £5 
> notes.  But most of the time you can get the lower value.
> Usually the machine decides, so if you ask for £20 you may not get two 
> x £10, but some machines will try to give at least
> one, and (if your request is high enough) two of the lowest 
> denomination.  Of course, if you really want 2 x £10 you can
> make two withdrawals to foil machines that try to dispense the fewest 
> notes.
> Certainly it's verifiable.  Try to make a withdrawal of £5 and it will 
> either tell you it doesn't dispense them or that it
> has temporarily run out of them.  This information is useful to know 
> if you're in a strange place, need (say) £25 cash and
> have only £26 in your account.  An ATM that doesn't dispense £5 notes 
> is not of use to you.  So it's verifiable and possibly
> worth mapping.  The problem is, as with much information, is it's 
> somewhat ephemeral.  Next week there may still be
> an ATM there but it no longer dispenses £5.
>     Cashback is not a misleading name, it is not a cash withdrawal.
>     They add extra to your payment and give you the change. It is
>     offered to reduce the shops charges for banking cash but is
>     usually more trouble than it is worth as the cashier has to write
>     down the transaction number and you then have to sign for it.
> I've had cashback from several different shops and NONE of them 
> required the cashier to write down the transaction
> number.  It's all done electronically these days. Sometimes, some 
> shops require you to sign the shop's copy of
> the receipt but that's a policy of the shop to try to minimize people 
> later claiming they weren't given the cash (it doesn't
> really help and the distraction is more likely to cause both parties 
> to forget to hand over/receive the money).
> -- 
> Paul
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