[Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 107, Issue 111

Dave Swarthout daveswarthout at gmail.com
Sat Aug 25 19:59:59 UTC 2018

Hi Nick,

That solution is similar to the one I chose - a separate lane off to the
side of a 2-lane highway. I can't imagine, however, whether any renderer or
routing end-user will be able to understand that it is a passing lane or
slow-vehicle turnout based on the use of the agricultural=yes tag. It looks
exactly like the parent way. How does a router (or person) decide it's
actually a place to pass slow-moving vehicles?

I would really rather expand the use of the passing_place tag to allow
ways. Then tagging a situation like mine becomes simple and easy to draw
while still providing essential information. It is a separate lane, oneway
in the direction of traffic flow, and is located off to one side of
the highway proper.

The current use of passing_place as a node doesn't seem very robust to me.
A related tag, passing_places=yes (no), is applied to a highway that has
frequent slow-vehicle lanes scattered along its distance. This tag too
isn't very specific and IMO, not very useful either.

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 12:32 PM St Niklaas <St.Niklaas at live.nl> wrote:

> Hi Guys,
> Have a look at this solution, made just to allow other / faster traffic to
> pass a slow agricultural vehicle, more specific it is a rule that goes for
> all slow moving traffic not reaching a speed of 25 km/hr.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.24743/5.97305
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.24743/5.97305>
> OpenStreetMap <https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.24743/5.97305>
> www.openstreetmap.org
> OpenStreetMap is the free wiki world map. OpenStreetMap is a map of the
> world, created by people like you and free to use under an open license.
> The first traffic sign tells you to go straight ahead, but the second one
> selects the slower traffic out of the main stream into a short stay.
> Greetz
> Hendrikklaas
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>    3. Re: Slow vehicle turnouts (Graeme Fitzpatrick)
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> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 10:46:44 +1000
> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> To: daveswarthout at gmail.com, OSM Tag <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts
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> On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 at 10:18, Dave Swarthout <daveswarthout at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I've been trying to decide tagging for slow-vehicle turnouts consisting
> of
> > a lane added to the right side (in the U.S.) of the road so that slow
> > moving vehicles can pull aside to allow following vehicles to pass. The
> > best I can come up with is the tag highway=passing_place but strangely it
> > applies only to nodes. I'm looking for examples from the real world
> similar
> > to the one in this JOSM screenshot. I've selected both the passing lanes
> to
> > color them red so you can see them.
> >
> > I had been using a variable number of lanes to describe the situation but
> > these two passing_places are offset making using the lanes tags
> cumbersome
> > to apply, 4 separate pieces, lanes going in different directions, oneway
> > sections, etc. According to the Wiki, the passing_place tag is to be used
> > only on nodes. (
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpassing_place) Why
> this
> > should be so, I do not understand.
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/p4g4t7mk6e4161l/passing_place.jpg?dl=0
> >
> > What alternatives do I have?
> >
> Can't see too many Dave?
> I agree the passing_place should be able to be marked as a way. In
> Australia, they're overtaking lanes & can easily be a kilometre long, so
> only having a node doesn't work very well.
> Probably a new tag under the highway structure heading (ie bridge, tunnel
> etc) would be the best way?
> Thanks
> Graeme
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Dave Swarthout
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Chiang Mai, Thailand
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