[Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Sergio Manzi smz at smz.it
Thu Dec 6 12:38:13 UTC 2018


Eugene, those are "/proper names/" and as such they are untranslatable, and that's exactly why to put a category name within a proper name is "/a very bad idea (tm)/". But if a proper name happens to have a category has part of its proper name, just leave it alone... no problem...

Cheers!

Sergio


On 2018-12-06 13:30, Eugene Podshivalov wrote:
> And how would you translate into French such American waterway=stream's as  “Bull Run”, “Walker Creek”, “Johnson’s Brook”, etc. 
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> чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 15:25, Eugene Podshivalov <yaugenka at gmail.com <mailto:yaugenka at gmail.com>>:
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>     Sergio,
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>         how would you make up the name for one of yours пруд or копанка in English?  
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>     Let me please answer your question with a question
>     How to you translate your French highway=residential's into in English like "Cité Pasteur", "Rue André Bru", "Voie des Roses" etc?
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>     чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 15:17, Eugene Podshivalov <yaugenka at gmail.com <mailto:yaugenka at gmail.com>>:
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>         I am pursonally not in favour of the solution with category names in the "name" but have mentioned it because it is currently used in every country for highway=residential ways.
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>         чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 15:08, Sergio Manzi <smz at smz.it <mailto:smz at smz.it>>:
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>             That's (/quite obviously I would say.../) not a solution: all it does is to move the problem from one place to another: how would you make up the name for one of yoursпруд or копанка in English?
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>             On 2018-12-06 12:51, Eugene Podshivalov wrote:
>>             Another solution is to always put category name into "name" field. "Paris" would become "City of Paris" or "Paris city".
>>             And the renderers will need to decide how to cut the category word from some names in order not to display then on the map or another ready-to-use tag will need to be inroduce which would contain just "Paris" in it.
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>>             чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 13:52, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch <mailto:simon at poole.ch>>:
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>>                 Just to inject a bit of OT here
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>>                 - the EN name of the Vierwaldstättersee is Lake Lucerne
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>>                 - the literal translation is "lake of the four forest settlements" (only
>>                 loosely related to the notion of cantons)
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>>                 In both cases naming the lake  "Lucerne" or "Vierwaldstätten" would
>>                 obviously be nonsense.
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>>                 Simon
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>>                 Am 05.12.2018 um 19:55 schrieb marc marc:
>>                 > Le 05. 12. 18 à 19:36, Eugene Podshivalov a écrit :
>>                 >> The name tag is abused very often and systematically. 
>>                 >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/48.86138/2.36028
>>                 > just because a hotel's name contains the word hotel does not necessarily
>>                 > mean it is a false name. Some names are "hotêl abc" and not "abc"
>>                 >
>>                 > the same for the lakes.
>>                 > the lake near Geneva (France/Switzerland) is indeed called "Léman"
>>                 > and it is a tautology (an error) to say Lake Léman.
>>                 > But the "lake of the 4 cantons" in Switzerland is called the "lake of
>>                 > the 4 cantons". If you ask someone where "of the 4 cantons" are located,
>>                 > he don't understand what you're talking about because that not its name.
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