[Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Eugene Podshivalov yaugenka at gmail.com
Thu Dec 6 17:11:29 UTC 2018

> чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 19:30, Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.kenny at gmail.com>:
> If it's neither a component of the name of the place nor a formal
> designation of a political boundary, can you explain more why it's
> important? Is it immediately obvious in the field that one thing is a
> 'gorod' and another is a 'gorodskoy posyolok,' while a third is a
> 'perevnya?' If so, what is the difference? What's the problem we're trying
> to solve?

They cannot be put into name tag because they are not part of the proper
name. It would be like renaming "Paris" into "Paris city".
Neither the admin boundary scheme can help here because one settlements of
different local category can belong to one and the same admin level.
Here are a couple of cases when the knowlege of these local categories is
* They are used in address strings
* They are sumtimes displayed in maps to resolve ambiguousness (when two
neighbourhood settlement have one and the same name and differ only in
category name).
* There is a common practice in Belarus to draw residential area of
different settlemnet types in different color.

чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 19:48, Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com>:

> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 4:38 PM Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> For example I would see the distinction between a hamlet and a village in
>> a functional criterion, while in Europe it is often clear what is a town
>> and what is a big village, from looking at the legal situation (history is
>> usually important), it can be in the name / people usually know it.
> In the UK, many many years ago, these distinctions applied:
> To be a city the place had to have a cathedral.
> To be a town the place had to have a market.
> To be a village the place had to have a church.
> To be a hamlet it didn't even have a church but did have more than one
> dwelling.
> The distinctions were never that hard and fast, and have only loosened
> over time.  A city now has a
> cathedral or a royal charter or a university or just feels like calling
> itself a city.  A large village in England
> can be larger than a large town in Wales.  Some towns no longer have
> markets, but once did.
> Some villages no longer have churches, but once did.  Etc.
> I see that the wiki suggests using those terms as an indicator of
> population rather than anything else.
> Since some renderers assume those values are indicators of population,
> maybe that's what we
> should be using explicitly and drop the city/town/village/hamlet.  Except,
> of course, population is often
> left untagged (and is sometimes that information is simply not available).
> The real world is messy.
> --
> Paul
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