[Tagging] Tagging for an American Wild & Scenic river

Dave Swarthout daveswarthout at gmail.com
Sun Feb 4 00:08:54 UTC 2018


Thanks for the replies. I'm away from home watching a tennis tournament so
pardon me for not replying promptly. I received an answer in the Help Forum
that was similar to Brad's reply here about tagging the river corridor with
protect_class=5, etc., and that sounds good but I don't have any way short
of digging into multiple U.S. government websites to determine the actual
boundaries of those corridors and frankly don't want to do it. I've
struggled with them before and prefer to leave that sort of research to
people with more patience than me.

Could one legitimately apply the protect_class, protection_title to ways
rather than just areas?

Several people used the word designation or designated in their replies
too. The Wiki would, at first glance, tend to eliminate the use of that tag
for a river because it is aimed squarely at transportation or modes of
transportation:

"The *designated* value, when used with a mode of transport key, indicates
that a route has been specially designated (typically by a government) for
use by a particular mode (or modes) of transport. Typically it is used on
ways legally dedicated to specific modes of travel by a law or by the rules
of traffic."

Yet, "Wild and Scenic" is a designation in its own right. And one might
also conclude, correctly or not, that by having this special designation,
modes of transport along such rivers are indeed restricted. In addition,
the paragraph from the Wiki above defines *designated* when used as a *value.
*Mappers have used *designated* as a *key* too (see Taginfo
<https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=designated%3D>) even if some of
those uses not might be strictly correct. I think were I to suggest using a
tag of, for example, designated=wild_and_scenic it would run into
opposition. Still, it seems like a useful point to explore.

I have used scenic=yes on highways so designated (there's that word again)
but not rivers, however, I see no reason it couldn't be used on them as
well.

Again, thanks.

Dave


On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 5:35 PM, Matej Lieskovsk√Ĺ <lieskovsky.matej at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Brad is right: Wild, Scenic and Recreational rivers are already
> defined as protect_class=5. Use the protection_title tag to specify
> the exact type of protection.
> Cheers,
> Matej
>
> On 3 February 2018 at 06:56, Brad Neuhauser <brad.neuhauser at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > "Wild and Scenic River" is specifically mentioned on the wiki as
> > boundary=protected_area, protect_class=5. Look at the table for
> > nature-protected areas, and scroll down to the US section. Cheers, Brad
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Kevin Kenny <
> kevin.b.kenny+osm at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 9:54 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick <
> graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 3 February 2018 at 12:00, Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.kenny+osm at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 7:44 PM, Dave Swarthout <
> daveswarthout at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I asked this question last week of the OSM Help community:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm looking for tagging that will indicate that a particular river in
> >>>>> the United States is a "Wild and Scenic River" as defined by the
> Wild &
> >>>>> Scenic Rivers Act. I have searched with Overpass for waterway=* that
> also
> >>>>> has a scenic=yes tag but it turned up no results. Can anyone provide
> some
> >>>>> guidance and/or examples?
> >>>>>
> >>>> Like you, I know of the Wild, Scenic and Recreational Rivers
> >>>> designations.
> >>>> Like you, I lack a good way to tag them.
> >>>> If nobody else has come up with anything - and do let's also ask on
> >>>> talk-us,
> >>>> since this is a peculiarly American designation - then let's invent
> >>>> something
> >>>> and Wikify it.
> >>>>
> >>> Without knowing the details of just what a "Wild Scenic" river is,
> could
> >>> you use the nature=conservation tag in conjunction with waterway=?
> >>
> >>
> >> Wild and Scenic Rivers are linear protected areas designated by statute
> in
> >> the US.  https://www.rivers.gov/
> >>
> >> Designating the waterway itself is a good start, but Wild and Scenic
> >> Rivers (also Recreational Rivers in New York State) generally also have
> >> associated corridors that should have some sort of
> boundary=protected_area
> >> (and we can debate what protect_class might be appropriate) associated
> with
> >> them.
> >>
> >> I'm aware of several rivers that are so designated that I've visited,
> but
> >> I've not done the necessary research to figure out how to represent
> them and
> >> their corridors. The Federal program has downloadable Public Domain
> data on
> >> its web site that I have not examined.
> >>
> >> My home state of New York actually has very few of them that are
> Federally
> >> designated - the Delaware, on the Pennsylvania line. This is because the
> >> State anticipated the Federal government and came up with its own
> >> designations http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/32739.html and came up with
> its
> >> own program to administer them http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/6033.html.
> >>
> >> The Federal program is not universally loved:
> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/66934423@N00/10605220
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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