[Tagging] Canoe route

osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au
Sun Jul 1 01:16:23 UTC 2018

It might be best to adapt the same language used in the access tag:




Water-based transportation

*         access=* (category: any water-based transportation mode)

*          <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:boat> boat=* (covers small boats and pleasure crafts, including yachts)

*          <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:motorboat> motorboat=* (boats and yachts using motor, on  <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Way>  also for sailing boats using the motor)

*          <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:sailboat&action=edit&redlink=1> sailboat=* (boats and yachts using sails, on  <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Way>  doing way with sail, not using the motor (according to the definition of the Colreg))

*          <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:canoe> canoe=* (boats without sail or motor, such as small dinghies, canoes, kayaks, etc.)


So “canoe” is the generic term used for any such small boats, including kayaks.


route=canoe seems fine in that case. maybe route=boat if it’s also suitable for motorboat or sailboat.



From: Clifford Snow <clifford at snowandsnow.us> 
Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2018 08:29
To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Canoe route


I'd like to suggest not creating a very specific tag like route=canoe, instead use something more general that would apply to more water crafts like kayaks, small boats, canoes, and rafts. route=marine_trail would be more fitting. Related tag could include motorized=(yes/no). 


Kayaking around my area is bigger than canoes with a number of trails in the area. 





On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 2:40 PM Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com <mailto:pla16021 at gmail.com> > wrote:

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 10:15 PM, Yves <yvecai at mailbox.org <mailto:yvecai at mailbox.org> > wrote:


There is a way to avoid tagging the way with the route tag:


See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Whitewater_sports#Grades

I consent your canoe practice on a lake is perhaps far from 'whitewater' practice, but grade 0 describes a lake perfectly. And if the route follows a river with grade 1, then map it as such.


Unless I misunderstand the wiki page, whitewater:section_grade is only documented as applying to waterway=river.

There is nothing there implying it is valid to use it with anything other than rivers.

Whereas route=* applies to any route which isn't rigidly defined: boat travel, aeroplanes, driving across a desert.

Anywhere you need to join points A and B with a way that is not rigidly defined but merely a suggestion.

Yes, you could modify the documentation so whitewater:section_grade also applies to lakes, oceans and seas but

then you'd need to emphasise that grades higher than 0 must not be used on anything other than rivers.  And it

still doesn't apply to aircraft or driving across a desert or pistes.

You're trying to bash a square peg into a round hole here, and doing so when somebody has already handed you a

round peg of the correct size.



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