[Tagging] Canoe route
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Sun Jul 1 01:16:23 UTC 2018
It might be best to adapt the same language used in the access tag:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access
Water-based transportation
* access=* (category: any water-based transportation mode)
* <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:boat> boat=* (covers small boats and pleasure crafts, including yachts)
* <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:motorboat> motorboat=* (boats and yachts using motor, on <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Way> also for sailing boats using the motor)
* <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:sailboat&action=edit&redlink=1> sailboat=* (boats and yachts using sails, on <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Way> doing way with sail, not using the motor (according to the definition of the Colreg))
* <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:canoe> canoe=* (boats without sail or motor, such as small dinghies, canoes, kayaks, etc.)
So “canoe” is the generic term used for any such small boats, including kayaks.
route=canoe seems fine in that case. maybe route=boat if it’s also suitable for motorboat or sailboat.
From: Clifford Snow <clifford at snowandsnow.us>
Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2018 08:29
To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Canoe route
I'd like to suggest not creating a very specific tag like route=canoe, instead use something more general that would apply to more water crafts like kayaks, small boats, canoes, and rafts. route=marine_trail would be more fitting. Related tag could include motorized=(yes/no).
Kayaking around my area is bigger than canoes with a number of trails in the area.
Best,
Clifford
On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 2:40 PM Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com <mailto:pla16021 at gmail.com> > wrote:
On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 10:15 PM, Yves <yvecai at mailbox.org <mailto:yvecai at mailbox.org> > wrote:
There is a way to avoid tagging the way with the route tag:
whitewater:section_grade=0
See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Whitewater_sports#Grades
I consent your canoe practice on a lake is perhaps far from 'whitewater' practice, but grade 0 describes a lake perfectly. And if the route follows a river with grade 1, then map it as such.
Unless I misunderstand the wiki page, whitewater:section_grade is only documented as applying to waterway=river.
There is nothing there implying it is valid to use it with anything other than rivers.
Whereas route=* applies to any route which isn't rigidly defined: boat travel, aeroplanes, driving across a desert.
Anywhere you need to join points A and B with a way that is not rigidly defined but merely a suggestion.
Yes, you could modify the documentation so whitewater:section_grade also applies to lakes, oceans and seas but
then you'd need to emphasise that grades higher than 0 must not be used on anything other than rivers. And it
still doesn't apply to aircraft or driving across a desert or pistes.
You're trying to bash a square peg into a round hole here, and doing so when somebody has already handed you a
round peg of the correct size.
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Paul
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