[Tagging] Golf wiki page

Paul Allen pla16021 at gmail.com
Mon Jul 16 20:20:31 UTC 2018


On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.kenny+osm at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 3:46 PM Mateusz Konieczny
> <matkoniecz at tutanota.com> wrote:
> > landuse=forest in OSM is for tree-covered area, not for area used for
> logging-related purposes
>
> And we will keep having this discussion as long as there is no tag
> that denotes the latter that doesn't get repurposed for the former.
>

As I recall (recollection may be flawed) the last go-round, the following
seemed to be the case:

1) landuse=forest was intended for forestry, but the value (forest) was
badly chosen.  Growing trees to be logged
is a use of the land.

2) landcover=trees wasn't currently rendered (my recollection may be
particularly bad on that).

3) Because landuse=forest is badly named (should have been forestry) and
therefore misleading, and because
landcover=trees isn't rendered, landuse=forest was being used for two
things.

4) Usual arguments about what constitutes a forest versus a wood and other
noise as the whole thread
degenerated.

My take on it: tag trees for logging purposes as landuse=forestry (note
spelling) and trees not for logging
purposes as landcover=trees or natural=wood as preferred (we can have that
argument another time).  Then
change the wiki to say that landuse=forest is deprecated because it gets
misunderstood and misused, and point
to the alternatives.  Introducing two new tags that supersede an existing
tag used ambiguously is the only hope of
making this sort of thing work.

Landuse=forestry is less likely to be misused because "forestry" means
logging and because we'd have
landcover=trees (which might even constitute something named "XYZ Forest".

None of this stands a chance of happening unless OSM Carto agrees to
implement landuse=forestry and
landcover=trees.  People don't use tags that don't render.  Well, for
small, specialized things they do, but for big
areas of trees they won't.  OSM Carto often won't implement new tags
because they're not used much; people don't
use new tags that don't render.  Rinse, wash, repeat.  What a shame we
don't have a forum like a mailing list where
we could all agree on sensible things to do and then they happen.

-- 
Paul
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