[Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

Kevin Kenny kevin.b.kenny+osm at gmail.com
Mon Jul 30 15:49:18 UTC 2018

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 5:56 AM Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would make the distinction bub from a map-data end-user's point of view: can I walk/drive up to the place and obtain a permit on the fly, with or without paying a "fee". The on-the-fly payment may include payment of membership of some kind on first entry, or similar arrangements. If access requires prior membership in a club or an association, I would suggest to use access=members. Admittedly there is a soft border with "customers", for example in case of access to the car park of shops that requires membership (e.g. REI in the US).

You're right, that's certainly a consideration. In my mind, it's at
the next level after 'is permission routinely offered to the general
public, or do I have to have a reason for being there?'

One use case for wanting to know that:  Let's say that I want to plan
a trip to climb North Dome, Balsam Mountain and Mount Sherrill - which
cluster around https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/357607470. None of
these has an established trail. I can access North Dome from the north
by one of several narrow strips of foot=yes land that border County
Road #6. I cannot access from the south over the abandoned logging
road, because Camp Timber Lake is access=members and does NOT welcome
visitors. I can access Balsam Mountain from CR6 to the north as long
as I've brought my (free of cost) permission card, because the general
public routinely has access to
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6304793. In fact, the city
recently changed that unit from foot=permit to foot=yes, so I don't
even need to remember the card.

For what it's worth, on the actual trip, I started from
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/292018893, followed the survey line
north of North Dome until it intersected the northern spur of the
mountain, and got to the summit from there, and eventually emerged at
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/20093167. That way is mismapped
(thanks, TIGER!), but my GPS was wonky just then, and I haven't been
back down that way since, so I left it alone. It's a service way that
goes to a shaft associated with the water tunnel. There's parking for
climbers and hunters there.

I'm a long way from mapping 'access=members' recreational areas.  I
have my hands full with public ones!

By the way, REI doesn't require a membership to enter or to shop (and
incidentally sells the membership in-store). Most shoppers there are
members, because there are discounts, dividends, and extended
warranties on purchases that they find to be worth the small fee for
becoming a member. But there are stores with the model that you
imagine - usually they're wholesalers that aren't set up to collect
general sales tax, so require their customers to have a membership
(with a business licence and reseller number on file). Some of these
have branched out into direct-to-consumer sales but continue a
membership requirement.

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