[Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdreist at gmail.com
Tue Jun 19 11:41:13 UTC 2018

2018-06-19 11:17 GMT+02:00 Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>:

> Martin, which part? The whole reason this discussion started is because
> Bryan wants to offer a way to tag a lifeguard facility iD without forcing
> users to choose the exact kind of lifeguard facility. At the moment with
> the current documentation on the wiki you need to choose what type, and
> can't say it's a generic.

My suggestion for this case is to add lifeguard/s=yes as property to the
guarded object or part of the object that is guarded / supervised, or maybe
supervised:lifeguard=yes ?

If Bryan wants to propose a new "neutral" lifeguard facility which does not
bear any information in the first level about the kind of feature on the
ground (in contrast to the system that has evolved through the comunity
process), I suggest he sets up a proposal. There are currently only 6 uses
of emergency=lifeguard

water_rescue_station vs. lifeguard_base

there are 216 emergency=water_rescue_station which to me seems a pretty
self explanatory tag to indicate a somehow permanent presence of lifeguards
with some infrastructure. The wiki says it is in proximity to the water
surface it is guarding. The other tag is emergency=lifeguard_base with 240
uses and defined as the "main building" where the administrative work gets
done and equipment and vehicles are "stored".

I do not think we should merge those former 2 tags, they are both
documented and clearly describe something very different. I agree the
decision to use emergency=lifeguard_base for the office and storage
building could be questioned, regarding the word "lifeguard base" (which to
me suggests a place where lifeguards operate / supervise, not where they do
the paperwork, as it is intended according to the wiki) and maybe also
regarding the choice of "emergency" as a key, although this could be
argumented because they are part of "emergency" services somehow.

There are also 443 emergency=lifeguard_tower
to me this looks like a clear tag, and I see no benefit in changing this to
2 tags like emergency=lifeguard  and lifeguard=tower.

> Maybe it's better to just introduce a new emergency=lifeguard in addition
> to the existing emergency=lifguard_base, that way Bryan can offer that in
> iD and existing tags, data consumers and wiki doesn't need to be changed.
> It's a non-breaking change then instead of a breaking change.

as the lifeguard base is defined for storage and administration, it doesn't
seem to fit with the expectations one would have from a potential new

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