[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop

Erkin Alp Güney erkinalp9035 at gmail.com
Sat May 5 14:59:26 UTC 2018


Not really transient and some routes can be over 500m in length. For
example, in Karşıyaka, more than 100 people/min/sq-m walks following
Bahriye Üçok Boulevard (western sidewalk only) and Kemalpaşa Avenue
(pedestrianised during the day and evening, pedestrian priority
otherwise, marked by a pedestrian zone sign) between Karşıyaka
Underground Car Parking and "Hergele Meydanı" (all comers' square).


05-05-2018 17:51 tarihinde osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au yazdı:
> If they are unmarked on the ground, are they documented somewhere? 
>
> Or is it simply a case of "this is a common route a lot of people walk during certain times as there is a strong flow of people from A to B and this is the most commonly used route"? (In which case they aren't really something that exists as an entity of it's own and are only a transient event, though maybe a commonly reoccurring one.)
>
> In either case, it doesn't sound like a "walking bus" at all.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Erkin Alp Güney <erkinalp9035 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2018 00:09
>> To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop
>>
>> No, foot tram routes are unmarked but you can easily join one by
>> following the crowd. Normal foot routes have guiding signs.
>>
>>
>> 05-05-2018 17:05 tarihinde osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au yazdı:
>>> Without a "driver", fixed "stops" and a defined schedule, that
>> sounds more like what's currently already mapped using  route=foot
>> relations?
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Erkin Alp Güney <erkinalp9035 at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 5 May 2018 23:28
>>>> To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop
>>>>
>>>> We also have walking bus routes in Turkey but without drivers. We
>>>> call them "tabanvay", foot tram. You can have very crowded
>> walking
>>>> bus routes in peak times, especially in pedestrian road networks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 05-05-2018 15:59 tarihinde osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au
>> yazdı:
>>>>> If there are actual poles and stop signs, you can only “board”
>> at
>>>>> these places and at specific times, and the “driver” stays with
>>>> the
>>>>> group from the first to the last stop, then yeah, I can see this
>>>> as
>>>>> being very different from a “school crossing guard” which
>>>> generally
>>>>> stays at one specific crossing and controls the traffic there.
>> And
>>>>> under these conditions, I think the term “platform” as it is
>> used
>>>> in
>>>>> PTv2 does apply to the position of the poles.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:*Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, 5 May 2018 22:42
>>>>> *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
>>>>> <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -
>> Walkingbus_stop
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sent from a phone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4. May 2018, at 22:34, Johnparis <okosm at johnfreed.com
>>>>> <mailto:okosm at johnfreed.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Please DO follow Thorsten's suggestion and follow PTv2,
>>>> mapping
>>>>>     the stops as nodes alongside the street/way (not on it) in
>> the
>>>>>     proper direction. Tag each one:
>>>>>
>>>>>     walking_bus=yes
>>>>>
>>>>>     public_transport=platform
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> is walking really a kind of “public transport”? Are we going to
>>>> tag
>>>>> places as public transport platforms where people are waiting
>> for
>>>>> someone else to accompany them for walking somewhere?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To me “walking bus” seems just a new buzzword for a service that
>>>> has
>>>>> been in existence for a long time (school crossing guards) and
>>>> that
>>>>> was never considered public transport until someone proclaimed
>> it
>>>>> could be seen as kind of “bus” but without a vehicle ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t think it shouldn’t be tagged, but I don’t see it as
>> public
>>>>> transport either, particularly I don’t believe we should use the
>>>> term
>>>>> platform in context of this kind of service
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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