[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop

osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au
Sun May 6 02:28:09 UTC 2018


Well, but based on your description, these are not planned routes in any way. They are purely transient emergent behaviour based on the fact that a lot of people want to move between these two points, and this is the obvious way to go.

Take the people away, and the phenomenon disappears. This is not something that does not exist on its own.

A bus route, a foot or hiking route, or a walking bus route on the other hand all exist even in the absence of people There are stops with signs, guiding signs, brochures showing the route... The route is planned and documented, and (at least till someone changes the planning) operate and exist even in the absence of people using them.

The only thing that exist of what you describe is the environment that promotes this particular emergent behaviour, like the pedestrian zone sign, and these can and should obviously be mapped.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erkin Alp Güney <erkinalp9035 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2018 00:59
> To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop
> 
> Not really transient and some routes can be over 500m in length. For
> example, in Karşıyaka, more than 100 people/min/sq-m walks following
> Bahriye Üçok Boulevard (western sidewalk only) and Kemalpaşa Avenue
> (pedestrianised during the day and evening, pedestrian priority
> otherwise, marked by a pedestrian zone sign) between Karşıyaka
> Underground Car Parking and "Hergele Meydanı" (all comers' square).
> 
> 
> 05-05-2018 17:51 tarihinde osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au yazdı:
> > If they are unmarked on the ground, are they documented somewhere?
> >
> > Or is it simply a case of "this is a common route a lot of people
> walk
> > during certain times as there is a strong flow of people from A to
> B
> > and this is the most commonly used route"? (In which case they
> aren't
> > really something that exists as an entity of it's own and are only
> a
> > transient event, though maybe a commonly reoccurring one.)
> >
> > In either case, it doesn't sound like a "walking bus" at all.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Erkin Alp Güney <erkinalp9035 at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2018 00:09
> >> To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop
> >>
> >> No, foot tram routes are unmarked but you can easily join one by
> >> following the crowd. Normal foot routes have guiding signs.
> >>
> >>
> >> 05-05-2018 17:05 tarihinde osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au
> yazdı:
> >>> Without a "driver", fixed "stops" and a defined schedule, that
> >> sounds more like what's currently already mapped using
> route=foot
> >> relations?
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Erkin Alp Güney <erkinalp9035 at gmail.com>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, 5 May 2018 23:28
> >>>> To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop
> >>>>
> >>>> We also have walking bus routes in Turkey but without drivers.
> We
> >>>> call them "tabanvay", foot tram. You can have very crowded
> >> walking
> >>>> bus routes in peak times, especially in pedestrian road
> networks.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 05-05-2018 15:59 tarihinde osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au
> >> yazdı:
> >>>>> If there are actual poles and stop signs, you can only “board”
> >> at
> >>>>> these places and at specific times, and the “driver” stays
> with
> >>>> the
> >>>>> group from the first to the last stop, then yeah, I can see
> this
> >>>> as
> >>>>> being very different from a “school crossing guard” which
> >>>> generally
> >>>>> stays at one specific crossing and controls the traffic there.
> >> And
> >>>>> under these conditions, I think the term “platform” as it is
> >> used
> >>>> in
> >>>>> PTv2 does apply to the position of the poles.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *From:*Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, 5 May 2018 22:42
> >>>>> *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
> >>>>> <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -
> >> Walkingbus_stop
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> sent from a phone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 4. May 2018, at 22:34, Johnparis <okosm at johnfreed.com
> >>>>> <mailto:okosm at johnfreed.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Please DO follow Thorsten's suggestion and follow PTv2,
> >>>> mapping
> >>>>>     the stops as nodes alongside the street/way (not on it) in
> >> the
> >>>>>     proper direction. Tag each one:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     walking_bus=yes
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     public_transport=platform
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> is walking really a kind of “public transport”? Are we going
> to
> >>>> tag
> >>>>> places as public transport platforms where people are waiting
> >> for
> >>>>> someone else to accompany them for walking somewhere?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To me “walking bus” seems just a new buzzword for a service
> that
> >>>> has
> >>>>> been in existence for a long time (school crossing guards) and
> >>>> that
> >>>>> was never considered public transport until someone proclaimed
> >> it
> >>>>> could be seen as kind of “bus” but without a vehicle ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don’t think it shouldn’t be tagged, but I don’t see it as
> >> public
> >>>>> transport either, particularly I don’t believe we should use
> the
> >>>> term
> >>>>> platform in context of this kind of service
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> cheers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Martin
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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