[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop

Erkin Alp Güney erkinalp9035 at gmail.com
Sun May 6 08:53:36 UTC 2018


What about foot tram routes? Should they be mapped?


06-05-2018 11:51 tarihinde Selfish Seahorse yazdı:
> Hi,
>
> Like Martin, I think the public transport scheme should not be used
> here, because a walking bus is neither a form of transport nor is it
> really public.
>
>
> On 6 May 2018 at 09:45, Lorenzo Stucchi <lorenzo.stucchi at mail.polimi.it> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I’m sorry for the error that I made using the old Public Transport scheme,
>> so according to what was proposed before I correct the page proposing the
>> tag: walikingbus=yes to be used with public_transport=platform like was now
>> proposed in the page
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Walkingbus_stop
>>
>> Thanks and sorry again for my mistake
>> Hi,
>> LorenzoStucchi
>>
>> Date: Sun, 6 May 2018 12:28:09 +1000
>> From: <osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au>
>> To: "'Tag discussion, strategy and related tools'"
>> <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop
>> Message-ID: <00ab01d3e4e1$e1575d50$a40617f0$@thorsten.engler.id.au>
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>>
>> Well, but based on your description, these are not planned routes in any
>> way. They are purely transient emergent behaviour based on the fact that a
>> lot of people want to move between these two points, and this is the obvious
>> way to go.
>>
>> Take the people away, and the phenomenon disappears. This is not something
>> that does not exist on its own.
>>
>> A bus route, a foot or hiking route, or a walking bus route on the other
>> hand all exist even in the absence of people There are stops with signs,
>> guiding signs, brochures showing the route... The route is planned and
>> documented, and (at least till someone changes the planning) operate and
>> exist even in the absence of people using them.
>>
>> The only thing that exist of what you describe is the environment that
>> promotes this particular emergent behaviour, like the pedestrian zone sign,
>> and these can and should obviously be mapped.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Erkin Alp Güney <erkinalp9035 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2018 00:59
>> To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop
>>
>> Not really transient and some routes can be over 500m in length. For
>> example, in Karşıyaka, more than 100 people/min/sq-m walks following
>> Bahriye Üçok Boulevard (western sidewalk only) and Kemalpaşa Avenue
>> (pedestrianised during the day and evening, pedestrian priority
>> otherwise, marked by a pedestrian zone sign) between Karşıyaka
>> Underground Car Parking and "Hergele Meydanı" (all comers' square).
>>
>>
>> 05-05-2018 17:51 tarihinde osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au yazdı:
>>
>> If they are unmarked on the ground, are they documented somewhere?
>>
>> Or is it simply a case of "this is a common route a lot of people
>>
>> walk
>>
>> during certain times as there is a strong flow of people from A to
>>
>> B
>>
>> and this is the most commonly used route"? (In which case they
>>
>> aren't
>>
>> really something that exists as an entity of it's own and are only
>>
>> a
>>
>> transient event, though maybe a commonly reoccurring one.)
>>
>> In either case, it doesn't sound like a "walking bus" at all.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Erkin Alp Güney <erkinalp9035 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2018 00:09
>> To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop
>>
>> No, foot tram routes are unmarked but you can easily join one by
>> following the crowd. Normal foot routes have guiding signs.
>>
>>
>> 05-05-2018 17:05 tarihinde osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au
>>
>> yazdı:
>>
>> Without a "driver", fixed "stops" and a defined schedule, that
>>
>> sounds more like what's currently already mapped using
>>
>> route=foot
>>
>> relations?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Erkin Alp Güney <erkinalp9035 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, 5 May 2018 23:28
>> To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop
>>
>> We also have walking bus routes in Turkey but without drivers.
>>
>> We
>>
>> call them "tabanvay", foot tram. You can have very crowded
>>
>> walking
>>
>> bus routes in peak times, especially in pedestrian road
>>
>> networks.
>>
>>
>>
>> 05-05-2018 15:59 tarihinde osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au
>>
>> yazdı:
>>
>> If there are actual poles and stop signs, you can only “board”
>>
>> at
>>
>> these places and at specific times, and the “driver” stays
>>
>> with
>>
>> the
>>
>> group from the first to the last stop, then yeah, I can see
>>
>> this
>>
>> as
>>
>> being very different from a “school crossing guard” which
>>
>> generally
>>
>> stays at one specific crossing and controls the traffic there.
>>
>> And
>>
>> under these conditions, I think the term “platform” as it is
>>
>> used
>>
>> in
>>
>> PTv2 does apply to the position of the poles.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:*Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 5 May 2018 22:42
>> *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
>> <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -
>>
>> Walkingbus_stop
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> sent from a phone
>>
>>
>> On 4. May 2018, at 22:34, Johnparis <okosm at johnfreed.com
>> <mailto:okosm at johnfreed.com>> wrote:
>>
>>    Please DO follow Thorsten's suggestion and follow PTv2,
>>
>> mapping
>>
>>    the stops as nodes alongside the street/way (not on it) in
>>
>> the
>>
>>    proper direction. Tag each one:
>>
>>    walking_bus=yes
>>
>>    public_transport=platform
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> is walking really a kind of “public transport”? Are we going
>>
>> to
>>
>> tag
>>
>> places as public transport platforms where people are waiting
>>
>> for
>>
>> someone else to accompany them for walking somewhere?
>>
>>
>>
>> To me “walking bus” seems just a new buzzword for a service
>>
>> that
>>
>> has
>>
>> been in existence for a long time (school crossing guards) and
>>
>> that
>>
>> was never considered public transport until someone proclaimed
>>
>> it
>>
>> could be seen as kind of “bus” but without a vehicle ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t think it shouldn’t be tagged, but I don’t see it as
>>
>> public
>>
>> transport either, particularly I don’t believe we should use
>>
>> the
>>
>> term
>>
>> platform in context of this kind of service
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>>
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