[Tagging] roundtrip

Peter Elderson pelderson at gmail.com
Sat May 26 13:58:34 UTC 2018

If I understand you correctly, in British English round trip is not about
the route at all, it is about the journey, the service and practical
arrangements. While American English adds the actual route and the priceing.

To me, this means that the roundtrip key (if at all useful) is not
applicable to other routes than PT and tourism vehicle routes and services.
And that it does not mean anything when applied to waymarked hiking,
bikeing etc routes.
Those routes need to know if the waymarking is oneway and if it's a
circular route, meaning when you keep going you will end up where (or near
to) you began, no matter where on the route you started.

2018-05-26 14:53 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com>:

> On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> When applied to a route, I would leave out that it is the same vehicle,
>> because when you book or buy a round trip, most of the time you have a
>> different vehicle for the return trip.
> You've strayed into the territory between British and American English.
> It's important because OSM English
> is (largely) a dialect of British English.  In British English there is a
> distinction between round trips and returns, in
> American English there isn't.  Circulars are yet another thing.
> In British English a round trip is from A to A, on the same vehicle
> (exception: vehicle breakdowns).  In
> the case of sightseeing tours and boat trips, it may not be possible (or
> permitted) to alight and disembark at
> any point but A.  A return is applied to tickets: a return ticket is valid
> for a journey from A to B and a journey from B to A,
> often on the same day but sometimes valid for longer than a single day.
> You might come back on the same vehicle
> and even stay at B for only as long as it takes for the vehicle to turn
> around.  Or you might come back on a different
> vehicle.  You might come back via a different route with a different
> service number (if permitted).  A return ticket is
> (usually) cheaper than two single tickets.
> Returns are basically about pricing and shouldn't be mapped.  Round trips
> are about a journey that takes you from
> A to A, which might happen to pass some interesting things and may even
> lay over for several minutes to allow you
> to get off, have a quick look, then get back on.
> Example: I get a bus to work.  I buy a return ticket because it's
> cheaper.  I get a bus home 8 hours later.  It
> may or may not be the same vehicle.  It may or may not be the same
> driver.  It may take a different route if
> there are variant routes.  I may be permitted to use a different service
> with possibly a different route between
> home and work.  It's not, in British English, a round trip.  I don't have
> to buy a return ticket, or there may be a weekly
> ticket, or I may get a lift home (if I regularly get a lift home I'd buy a
> single rather than a return).
> Example: I get on a tour bus.  It stops at various places to give people
> 30 minutes to look around.  It eventually
> takes me back to the starting point.  It doesn't pick up additional
> passengers along the way and it doesn't
> permit people to get off at some point and not get back on (at least not
> without some sort of prearrangement).
> It is, in British English, a round trip.
> Yes, there are always grey areas and exceptions, but those are the common
> cases.
> Although you may not be interested vehicle changes, they are one of the
> main characteristics differentiating a round
> trip from an ordinary route.  By your proposal just about all bus routes
> are round trips, which is not a useful
> distinction, because there are very few routes which are not round trips
> by your proposal.
> How much of this ought to be tagged, and how, is another matter. :)
> --
> Paul
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