[Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

Peter Elderson pelderson at gmail.com
Tue May 29 11:33:54 UTC 2018


 > So, in this
> case, the route wasn't designed for the benefit of a hot-shot on the
council or for a single person with COPD
> (as others have suggested) but for the benefit of a large number of
people.

Sorry about that, I shouldn't have attempted humor.

2018-05-29 13:16 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com>:

> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:07 AM, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The odd thing about this route is that it serves 1 stop at the start of
>> this cul-de-sac then continues and turns around. There is no other stop at
>> the end, where it makes the maneuver.
>>
>
> A few things.
>
> 1) Once the bus gets to that stop it is then dead-ended.  It has to
> perform this manoeuvre somewhere on the
> housing estate where that stop is.  The only way to avoid a reverse-turn
> would be to remove that stop from the
> route, thereby removing that housing estate from the route.
>
> 2) Although there are no other marked stops on that housing estate, it's
> effectively (and possibly officially) a
> hail-and-ride route by that point.  I have seen passengers alight between
> the marked stop and the turning
> point.  Those passengers had mobility issues but I'm pretty sure
> passengers without mobility issues would
> have been allowed to alight in those places.
>
> 3) The whole housing estate is dominated by the retired.  The marked stop
> is by a medium-size housing complex
> with a warden.  Other, semi-detached, houses on the housing estate tend to
> have retirees in them.  So, in this
> case, the route wasn't designed for the benefit of a hot-shot on the
> council or for a single person with COPD
> (as others have suggested) but for the benefit of a large number of people.
>
> But if we're going to a add a role for hail_and_ride and editors need to
>> be adapted to accomodate this, we could include this role as well, while
>> we're at it.
>>
>
> In iD it's possible to add tags the editor doesn't (yet) know about.  I
> don't know about any of the other editors.
>
> The question is does this tag serve a useful purpose?  For routers, it
> appears not.  For data consumers looking
> at a map then perhaps.  Without it the route would just appear to
> dead-end.  Does it go out of service there to
> turn around and passengers must therefore alight?  Is the route
> incomplete?  For mappers it explains what's
> happening so they don't try to "fix" something that isn't broken (mappers
> should read notes but don't always
> do so).
>
> As somebody pointed out, routers would be just as happy without the
> reverse role and consumers would see
> no difference (as long as the reversing stub is included in the route,
> with or without a role).  It's just a little
> less clear to mappers what is going on without that role.
>
> --
> Paul
>
>
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