[Tagging] tagging for an office of the local representative to parliament

Colin Smale colin.smale at xs4all.nl
Sun Nov 4 10:52:57 UTC 2018


The answer will depend on whether we are talking about landuse,
building, office or amenity. 

Waste disposal is (in Europe) usually a statutory task, performed by a
commercial company on behalf of some government. If it is open to the
public, then the "amenity" provided is waste disposal / recycling. The
landuse is probably something like "waste disposal" or "industrial",
similar to how landfill sites might be tagged. The "office" belongs to
the commercial company, so that is not governmental. 

Other areas where this (outsourcing of statutory duties) is commonplace
(that I know of) include public transport, administration of visa
applications, healthcare provision, assessment of benefits claims, and
operation of highways/infrastructure. 

Government-owned companies like a brewery are IMHO nothing to do with
the execution of statutory tasks and are therefore not governmental in
any way, shape or form. 

In the example of the Credit Corporation, does some government
organisation have a statutory duty to provide credit? Or does it come
under something more general like "protecting the poor"? Would the
government be "failing in its statutory duty" if thie company
disappeared? Otherwise it sounds like an optional, pseudo-commercial
venture which in this case happens to be bankrolled by the government.

On 2018-11-04 11:13, Warin wrote:

> Where do you draw the line?
> 
> If a 'government company' has 50% of its income from a government allocation and the rest from elsewhere (e.g. contracts with private companies/individuals) is it 'government' or not?
> 
> On 04/11/18 20:19, Allan Mustard wrote: 
> 
> If it is a profitable company that adds to the government's coffers, such as the Budvar brewery in the Czech Republic, which is government owned, I'd say no.  It should be tagged as a brewery.  Same logic would apply to Rosoboronexport, which is Russia's second-largest revenue earner as an arms exporter.  Petronas, the Malaysian government gas and oil company, should be tagged as a gas and oil company.  Same for Pemex, Petroleo Mexicano, as well as the grocery stores the Bangladeshi army operates.
> 
> If it is a budget-dependent company/corporation, such as the Commodity Credit Corporation of the U.S. government, which generates no revenue of its own and relies wholly on appropriations from the U.S. Congress, yes, it should be tagged government.  As Deep Throat said, "Follow the money!" 
> 
> apm-wa 
> On 11/4/2018 1:29 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 
> 
> sent from a phone
> 
> On 4. Nov 2018, at 05:54, Allan Mustard <allan at mustard.net> wrote:
> 
> Paul, as Deep Throat told Bob Woodward, "Follow the money."  Who pays the rent on the office and who pays the salary of the occupant?  If the filthy lucre comes out of the government budget, and the office is used by someone drawing a government salary (as all executives, legislators, and judges do, or are supposed to, at least) then it is a government office.
> 
> what about government owned companies? Should they get a government tag?
> 
> Cheers, Martin

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