[Tagging] Highway=track and piste:type=nordic, are we doing it right ?

[Tod Fitch]

In my part of the world I know of several highway=* that are closed in winter and used as nordic ski trails. Not just tracks, I can think of a few that are two lane paved roads used for general vehicular traffic in summer.

It makes no sense to me to have two OSM ways sharing the same nodes simply to satisfy the implementation of an editor. That is just about the same as “mapping for the renderer”. If iD can’t be fixed for this use case then it should not be used.

Cheers,
Tod

> On Oct 13, 2018, at 12:28 AM, yves <yvecai at mailbox.org> wrote:
> 
> I'd like it to be a genuine question and not attract judgements for a particular editor.
> 
> For a long time, contributors map crosscountry skiing by adding piste:nordic to existing highway=tracks when they follow them. That's about 66% of the 68'000km of crosscountry ski trails mapped or 51165 ways.
> 
> I tried to add preset in iD editor [1] to make it easier for the contributors to find the right tags for ski pistes. However, iD presets are exclusives, thus if you select a highway=track and then use the 'piste' preset, the highway tag is removed by the editor.
> 
> This behaviour is consistent with the good practice 'One feature, one OSM element' [2], and I can hear the argument that separate geometries are easier to map.After all I'd really like to attract more skiers into contributing. But this is different than the mapping habits.
> 
> I'd like to hear more opinions about this, I guess the ski pistes are not the only niche tags for which this question arises.
> 
> Here are the alternatives :
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>    1) map ski pistes as separate geometries, even if they follow an existing track
> 
>    2) change iD behaviour, why not in a forked version.
> 
>    3) accept that iD presets are not suited for this kind of mapping. Not my preferred one, it's a great tool.
> 
> Yves
> 
> [2] Are preset tags exclusives?
> 
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/5398
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> [1] One_feature,_one_OSM_element
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element
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