[Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

SelfishSeahorse selfishseahorse at gmail.com
Sun Oct 28 15:48:56 UTC 2018


Hi Lionel

Thanks for this helpful clarification! I'd suggest to use them on OSM.

Regards
Markus

On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 11:30, Lionel Giard <lionel.giard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> At my work (a telecom company in Belgium), i see these types of mobile structure construction :
> - Self-supported pylons (the "tower", mostly looking like the power=tower in OSM, but also including the (older) self-supported tower in concrete) ;
> - Guy-wired pylons (the "mast" as described in the engineering definition where it is a structure held by guys);
> - Self-supported roof structure (half of them are just simple antennas, the other half are mast (the larger structure that clearly hold more than 1 antenna on top of buildings));
> - Guy-wired roof structure (all of them are mast);
> - And some other things like on electricity pylons....(all of them are just antennas on top of something as far as i know).
>
> And as a sub-type (indicating type of construction) : we got the "lattice pylon", "tubular pylon", "lattice mast", "tubular mast" or just "tubes" (for antennas isolated). So it would correspond to the tower:construction=guyed_lattice or guyed_tube (for mast) and lattice or freestanding (for the tower). Note that the older concrete telecom tower is noted as "tubular pylon".
>
> Thus, as i see it, the tower tag is the equivalent of pylon (as in the power=* tag where the power=tower is the equivalent of what we call "electricity pylon" here) and the mast are either the guy-wired structures OR the "largest" structures on the roof of buildings (which are clearly not an unique antenna). And then we need a tag for isolated antenna (i saw that a "telecom=antenna" was proposed on the telecom wiki page and i used it some times, but that's just a tag to indicate either on a node (on top of a building) or on another structure (like power=tower) that a telecom antenna is there. So to me, this covers everything i see in our database.
>
> If we use the current definition, the only problem i see is for the "self-supported pylons" which should all be tagged as tower (on engineering terminology), but could currently be tagged as mast if they don't look like "big tower". But the problem is minor, as if you look at the tag "tower:construction", the "guyed_lattice" and "guyed_tube" already say that it is a 'mast' in the engineering definition (and as far as i know, all masts are either guyed_lattice or guyed_tube construction !). ;-)
>
> => And thus, the only change i would make is to the sub-tag tower:construction : using "lattice" or "tube" for the "freestanding" towers (the freestanding value is more general but give not much information as if it is not guyed, i think it is always freestanding). So at the end, the engineering definition is clearly indicated via this tag.
>
> Best regards,
> Lionel
>
> Le ven. 26 oct. 2018 à 09:07, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com> a écrit :
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>>
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>> sent from a phone
>>
>> On 26. Oct 2018, at 01:57, Greg Troxel <gdt at lexort.com> wrote:
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>> for all things which are not buildings and basically exist to support
>> antennas, and avoid the tower/mast word choice, which is pretty clearly
>> contentious and/or confusing.
>>
>>
>>
>> what about this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Killesberg_Tower.jpg
>>
>> Actual tagging is even more weird, or does anyone recognize a mansard roof here?
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/306362151
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>> this is not a building, neither by the German nor by the English definition, but at least for Germans it is a tower.
>> I would not require for towers to be a building (which at a minimum should provide some enclosed space).
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Martin
>>
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