[Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

Tue Sep 18 21:20:13 UTC 2018

While there is a concept of "fair use" in UK copyright law, it has
essentially nothing to do with the US concept of the same name and in
general is a solution to nothing in an OSM context.

Figuring out how CC BY-SA 2.0 (a licence for classical creative works)
would apply to a systematic extraction of all relevant facts out of the
wiki in to a DB is not easy and could be argued in a number of ways.
There's a reason why we changed the licence for OSM data from CC BY-SA
2.0 to something at least half sane.

For arguments sake lets assume that the wikidata version of the wiki
would actually be considered an adopted work and be licensed on CC BY-SA
2.0 terms: we don't have a mechanism in place for loss free change of
licence for the wiki so we would need to go through roughly the same
process as with the OSM data. There would  probably be slightly less
effort involved as there are a lot less wiki editors than data editors,
but the process would be quite similar (some people would rejoice at the
notion of throwing larger pieces of the wiki away, contrary to OSM data
:-)). 

Seriously: this can be done down the road when a) the use of wikidata in
OSM has proven useful, b) and the licensing has shown itself to be a
substantial issue. There isn't really an advantage to doing it now
except stalling the exploration of what can be done or not with wikidata
in OSM.

Simon

Am 18.09.2018 um 22:58 schrieb Yuri Astrakhan:
> Simon, at this point, there only content of the Item namespace are
> short key descriptions and a few "facts" (like the status of the
> proposal and the type of objects it applies to).  The linked images
> are licensed under their own terms.
>
> Would copying short description strings be considered fair use or even
> re-licensable under CC0?   If not, would the community be ok to
> rewrite them as part of the migration to the new system?  I suspect
> the migration will still need to be done by hand, because there are
> many links/templates/other markup that needs to be reworked, so this
> might not that big of an extra challenge.
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:47 PM Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch
> <mailto:simon at poole.ch>> wrote:
>
>     a) all of the relevant wiki content is licensed CC BY-SA 2.0, I don't
>     see any remotely practical way to re-licence the contents at this
>     point
>     in time
>
>     b) if something is (actually) licensed on CC0 terms (and not pretend
>     CC0) the creator of the work has rescinded all rights in it (as far as
>     possible) and is definitely not in the position to require
>     distribution
>     on CC0 terms.
>
>
>     Am 18.09.2018 um 18:37 schrieb peterkrauss:
>     > Hi, veri good news!
>     > About license, can by changed to CC0 as Wikidata?
>     >
>     > It very important in structured data and data-interchange to use
>     > CC0... We are using Wikidata with government applications because is
>     > CC0: we can copy/paste wikidata information to a table and
>     publish the
>     > table with the text of an official act (law).. The text of the
>     > official act  MUST be CC0.
>     >
>     > Em 2018-09-18 06:43, Yuri Astrakhan escreveu:
>     >> Cross-posting to tagging as this new effort should help tagging and
>     >> metadata management the most.
>     >>
>     >> Osmaritans,
>     >>
>     >> as of today, OSM Wiki can store structured tag metadata similar to
>     >> Wikidata.  In every possible language, cross-linked, with images,
>     >> validation rules, or anything else the community decides to store
>     >> there. See examples:
>     >>
>     >> Key:bridge:movable:   
>     https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q104
>     >>
>     >> Tag:bridge:movable=bascule:
>     >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q888
>     >>
>     >> I have imported most frequent Keys from the TagInfo, plus
>     parsed wiki
>     >> pages to try to get multilingual descriptions, images, etc. 
>     Our next
>     >> step is to add more descriptive properties, translations,
>     >> validations(?), better images. The structured data is
>     accessible via
>     >> Lua (our new templating language), so at some point we may want to
>     >> replace info cards and tables(?) with the automatically generated
>     >> ones.
>     >>
>     >> Help is needed: our wiki is large and multilingual. If you can
>     help,
>     >> especially if you can run a wiki bot to automate some data
>     parsing and
>     >> wikibase item creation, please reply. When editing, please do not
>     >> change or translate the "label" field. Only use description
>     field for
>     >> the translation efforts, add statements, etc. If you need new
>     >> properties, please write at
>     >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_talk:Wikibase
>     >>
>     >> Other fun links:
>     >>
>     >> Documentation:
>     >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap:Wikibase
>     >>
>     >> All items:
>     >>
>     https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=&to=&namespace=120
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Other bridge:movable tags:
>     >>
>     https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Item%3AQ104&namespace=120
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Reg-ex based validation rules:
>     >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q574#P13
>     >>
>     >> For many Key:* pages, you will now see a link on the left side
>     >> "OpenStreetMap Wiki item".
>     >>
>     >> P.S.  Big thank you goes to Tom Hughes for helping to launch this
>     >> project!
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