[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Wed Apr 10 13:51:18 UTC 2019


The current proposal suggests that this is useful to define individual
sites for tents or caravans within a larger leisure=camp_site area.

I don’t see much use in double tagging a single backcountry tent site with
leisure=camp_site and camp_site=camp_pitch on the same node.

Usually an individual campsite has a name rather than a ref= tag.

For backcountry campsites, you can define the type of camp_site by using
camp_site=basic (if there is no water or toilet) - see Key:camp_site

Joseph

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:33 PM Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.kenny at gmail.com>
wrote:

> It mostly looks good, avoiding the over-namespacing of at least one of
> the earlier proposals.
>
> Should we consider clarifying that isolated sites that support only a
> single party may/may not be tagged with camp_pitch?  I'm comfortable
> with either: in one interpretation, a camp_pitch is simply a place for
> a single party to camp; in the other a camp_pitch is a single party's
> site, always within a larger facility.
>
> I'm asking because most of the camping places that I visit are either
> backcountry campsites, where a site is luxurious if it has a thunder
> box http://tinyurl.com/y3clyav3 and a fire pit, or else roadside
> campsites that are little more than a place to park a small caravan or
> pitch a tent, and may have a proper outhouse or even a well with a
> pitcher pump. They aren't parts of a larger campground.
>
> In the case of one long string of roadside sites (spaced perhaps 400 m
> apart), the area near the road
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6370357 is legally a
> 'campground' and is tagged as such. The laws governing usage are
> different from those that apply in the wilderness areas beyond. The
> roadside spots continue to be maintained because of a long-standing
> customary use by hunters, trappers and fishermen to access those
> wilderness areas. (The other campgrounds that you see in the vicinity
> are 'proper' camp_sites with communal flush toilets and showers,
> offices, swimming beaches and so on. There are other strings of
> roadside campsites that are not so grouped. For instance, there are a
> dozen or so sites on Gould Road east of the end of the 'campground'
> that are legally 'wild forest'.
>
> Is there recommended tagging for sites without land access?  At some
> point I may start placing individual sites to get the ref=* tagging,
> and there are a whole lot of pitches in that part of the world that
> may be numbered, reserved, paid-for sites, but that you need a canoe
> to get to, either because they're on islands, or because they're on
> trail-less lakeshore (and I at least don't want to push through the
> mud and vegetation to get to them overland).
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 3:05 AM Joseph Eisenberg
> <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've restarted the proposal process for camp_site=camp_pitch
> >
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch
> >
> > This tag has already been used over 6800 times by over 380 mappers and
> is pretty well defined by the old proposal page from 2015 as an individual
> tent or caravan spot within a tourism=camp_site area.
> >
> > These features should be mapped as a node (or possibly an area, when
> this is verifiable) and "ref=*" can be used for the number of the camp
> pitch. This will be useful for routing and could be rendered like addr:unit
> (most campsites do not have official unit numbers).
> >
> > There is also a tag camp_site=pitch which is undocumented and seems to
> mean the same thing, but it is only used 1500 times by 34 mappers, and does
> not seem to be growing in usage. I'd recommend approving
> camp_site=camp_pitch instead
> >
> > Please comment here or on the proposal discussion page:
> >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch
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