[Tagging] golf_cart=permit? | Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - Key:golf_cart

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Thu Apr 11 13:23:15 UTC 2019

I'd recommend trying to eliminate the parenthesis, because it would be
easier to understand if it can be read straight through.

Also, I don't quite understand the last phrase:

> "because only the rightholders are given permission based on individual discretion."

Who are the "rightholders"? Who is the individual who uses discretion?

On 4/11/19, Szem <szembiketeam at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've written a definition for access=permit:
> permit
> Use is subject to prior authorization (eg written, photo, other), in the
> absence of which the use (entry) may be denied. Permission (which may
> only apply to certain transportation mode: bicycle, foot, etc.) is not
> granted on the basis of individual assessment but can be obtained by
> anyone. This is the difference of substance between private and permit,
> because only the rightholders are given permission based on individual
> discretion.
> Could you check it out because it was created with the help of Google
> translator.
> 2019.04.11. 15:03 keltezéssel, Paul Allen írta:
>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 13:41, Rory McCann <rory at technomancy.org
>> <mailto:rory at technomancy.org>> wrote:
>>     On 10/04/2019 14:28, Paul Allen wrote:
>>     > You may want to take Peachtree City, Georgia into account in your
>>     > proposal.  It has an alternative transportation network of golf
>> cart
>>     > paths.  People must obtain and display permits on their carts to
>> use
>>     > the paths.  Accordingly, somebody has tagged several footpaths
>>     there
>>     > with golf_cart=permissive.
>>     I thought "*=permissive" meant: "You have no legal right use that on
>>     this road/path/etc, someone else 'owns'/controls it. However they
>>     allow
>>     anyone to use it by default, but they reserve the right to kick you
>>     out/off for any reason." And that doesn't sound like what you
>>     describe.
>> You are absolutely correct.  However, access=permit was only agreed
>> upon in the last
>> couple of months whereas those tags were added prior to that approval and
>> access=permissive was the best fit back then.  I should have made it
>> clearer I was
>> describing what had been tagged and not endorsing what had been done.
>> Actually,
>> I only remembered access=permit after I'd sent that mail.
>>     It seems like this permit system gives someone a (temporary)
>>     _right_ to
>>     drive their golf cart along those paths. I think
>>     `golf_cart=permit` is
>>     more accurate here.
>> I'd agree with you there.  Certainly if I were mapping it now I'd use
>> access=permit.  I'd
>> hesitate to change the existing tags without first contacting the
>> original mapper.  Which I shall
>> leave to somebody else who feels like taking on that particular exercise.
>> --
>> Paul
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