[Tagging] diaper subkey for wheelchair toilets including a changing table

Fri Apr 19 22:36:11 UTC 2019

It is perfectly acceptable to come up with better tagging for established
things and deprecate the old one, if we also invite downstream users from
the start of the process (anyone?).

I didn't recall commenting on the talk page but looks like I had pretty
good arguments. To accommodate rooms&tables, perhaps we could use
nappy_changing=yes. Its scheme would then be:

1) If both toilets are mapped as a separated node:
amenity=toilets
wheelchair=designated
nappy_changing=yes

amenity=toilets
wheelchair=no
nappy_changing=no

2) if both toilets are mapped as a single node:
amenity=toilets
wheelchair=yes
nappy_changing=yes
nappy_changing:location=room/toilets/female_toilets/maie_toilets/wheelchair_toilets

3) if toilet that belongs to an amenity or a building doesn't have it's
own object, for ex with a bar:
amenity=bar
toilets:wheelchair=yes
nappy_changing=yes
nappy_changing:location=room/toilets/female_toilets/maie_toilets/wheelchair_toilets

Other possible tags:
nappy_changing:for=adult/child
nappy_changing:capacity=<count of tables>
nappy_changing:fee=*
nappy_changing:access=*
nappy_changing:height=*
nappy_changing:vending/dispensing=nappies;rash_cream;powder;wet_wipe;gloves;hand_sanitizer;pad;motrin;tylenol;...
nappy_changing:services=bench;shelf;potty;pillow;pad;...

Is it correct that nappy_changing:location=toilets is equivalent to
nappy_changing:location=unisex?

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 11:20 PM Michael Brandtner via Tagging <
tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> I’m not a native speaker but I don’t think there will be any confusion
> when using changing_table. I don’t know of any changing tables for adults
> outside of nursing homes. In case of need we can add
> changing_table:for=adults.
>
> Am Freitag, April 19, 2019, 11:06 PM schrieb marc marc <
> marc_marc_irc at hotmail.com>:
>
> I encourage you to make a proposal if you want.
>
> in reality the problem #1 is that some members of the community are very
> cautious when there is a 1:1 change proposal to replace a bad
> "not-low-usage" key with a new better key, including those who have
> never filled one of this object in osm nor used the data about this
> object :(
> Maybe your proposal will pass sucess due it is changing one key
> with several others.
>
> the problem of existing applications (there are only 4 reported on
> taginfo) is not a problem. it is possible to ask it to support the 2
> keys for 1 month and to make a mass edition in the middle of the month.
> but here again the problem is the timidity of some members
>
> the small question that remains, should the key be called
> baby_changing_table or changing_table? some people talked
> about adult tables (I have a little trouble imagining an adult
> on a table). that could avoid confusion
>
>
> Le 19.04.19 à 22:46, Valor Naram a écrit :
> > You (Warin) and marc marc made some suggestions on how to improve this
> > key. I also found a workaround for the problem of
> >
> >  > [r]eplacing the key `diaper` with `changing_table` [or some other key
> > or by any other changings how to tag changing tables] without or with
> > the consens of the others of the community would hurt apps like AndOSM
> > and other platforms working with the `diaper` key e.g. Babykarte.
> >
> > I will write a proposal or should I first discuss my ideas with you
> instead?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Sören alias Valor Naram
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] diaper subkey for wheelchair toilets including a
> > changing table
> > From: Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com>
> > To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
> > CC:
> >
> >
> >    On 19/04/19 05:21, Paul Allen wrote:
> >>    On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 19:54, Valor Naram <valinora at gmx.net
> >>    <mailto:valinora at gmx.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process#Proposal_list
> >>        guided me to you. I have the following situation: I want to tag a
> >>        changing table but this changing table is in the toilet room for
> >>        wheelchair users. The page at
> >>        https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:d
> >>        iaper states tagging for changing tables is just available in
> >>        toilets
> >>        for women,-men and unisex but not in toilets for wheelchair
> users.
> >>
> >>
> >>    At first glance I thought you wanted to tag places where people in
> >>    wheelchairs
> >>    could change their own diapers.  Then I checked with the wiki page
> and
> >>    realized what you mean.
> >>
> >>    And then I realized diaper=* is not a good idea for a key.  In
> >>    British English we call
> >>    them nappies (singular nappy), not diapers.   And what the toilet
> >>    has is not a supply
> >>    of nappies (diapers) but a CHANGING TABLE.  Which is what you
> >>    described it as,
> >>    because that's what it is.  And had the key been
> >>    nappy_changing_table instead of diaper
> >>    I wouldn't have (briefly) misunderstood what you wanted to tag (a
> >>    changing table in
> >>    a toilet for wheelchair users, not a place where wheelchair users
> >>    can change their
> >>    own nappy).
> >
> >    +1 ... change table!
> >
> >    Wheelies (wheelchair users) also use catheters with bags. Much
> >    easier to deal with compared to a diaper.
> >
> >
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