[Tagging] Was public_transport=platform intended to always be combined with highway=bus_stop?

yo paseopor yopaseopor at gmail.com
Fri Aug 2 09:45:30 UTC 2019


Yes, one ring (one key=one value) for all kind of public transports because
it is easier to say this key and then what kind of transport do you have in.

It's better:

public_transport=stop_position or
public_transport=platform
and then bus,tram,train,subway,ferry,helicopter,UFO, future's
vehicles...=yes

than

highway=bus_stop
railway=platform
railway=tram_stop
bus_bay=yes
ferry=station
whatever we have to invent in the future=*
...

Also I think if you want to map some complex situations you cannot use only
one node for all of them, as we don't use it in banks and atm's.
Stop_area and stop_area_group are working well with big interchange
stations.
There are 223000+ stop_area relations. And there are 4400+ stop_area_group
relations, should we deprecate them? If you think there is no use about
these tags. Please visit taginfo.
We have a small Mediterranean town called ... Barcelona that uses this
transport scheme and we don't have any problem. You can see it at Osmand,
Maps.me or OPVNkarte.

The only negative point for public transport v2 scheme was the
no-deprecation of the old scheme to avoid duplicities (surely was done this
to don't uncomfort people)
Salut i transport p├║blic (Health and public_transport)
yopaseopor


On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 2:39 AM Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ferries also seam to be forgotten...
>
> public_transport=platform??? Covers ferry, bus, train, trams ... ??
>
> (One ring to rule them all etc)
>
> With regard to ref. I have bus stops that have 'Stand A' etc near train
> stations. these also carry a reference number that is used by the transport
> company - they are handy if you knowthem as you can type that in as your
> destination or start for there website on finding a trip scheduled/fee.
> Discussion on the Australian list resulted in this
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Bus_Stop_names_and_references
>
>
>
> On 31/07/19 22:43, Jo wrote:
>
> bus_bay = right | left | both (
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/485293336  )
>
> For me the object that represents the bus stop, is always a simple node. I
> don't see a problem for doing that in bus stations as well.
>
> If there are actual platforms, whether in a bus station or somewhere along
> a way, it can be tagged:
>
> highway=platform (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/304753571)
>
> or
>
> or railway=platform (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/255344359)
>
> for trams.
>
> on a way.
>
> These ways don't get the ref, name, route_ref, zone, local_ref, operator,
> network, and so on, those go on the node that represents the bus stop. Only
> that node needs to be added to the route relations. It doesn't get any
> simpler than that.
>
>
> Good. I can see no benefit to adding additional information to the route.
> Things like shelters, toilets etc all become evident when the map is
> viewed. The routeing information does not need it.
>
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/576656712  (example of a bus stop
> served by 3 different operators near Brussels, I only put
> public_transport=platform, bus=yes because for a few years that seemed like
> the right thing to do. Today I wouldn't mind removing those 2 tags once
> again.)
>
> Those platform ways could get:
>
> tactile_paving=yes
> wheelchair=yes
> height=
>
> So there is no real conflict between highway=bus_stop or railway=tram_stop
> on a node
>
> and
>
> highway=platform or railway=platform on a way or an area.
>
> Polyglot
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:13 PM Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 at 12:52, Joseph Eisenberg <
>> joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed, there are enough tags for public transport already. I don't
>>> think anything new is needed.
>>>
>>
>> There's something I haven't found a way of mapping.  That's a bus stop
>> where there's a bay
>> inlet into the pavement (aka sidewalk, aka causeway).  If it served a
>> different purpose and
>> had different road markings, it could be a lay-by (aka rest area) or a
>> parking bay.  But it's a
>> bus stop where the bus does not obstruct the flow of traffic.  There are
>> four of those in
>> my town, that I can think of (there may be others I've missed).
>>
>> Yes, I could use area:highway or add area=yes to a closed way, but those
>> don't seem to render
>> on a popular, well-known carto intended for mappers to check their work
>> for anything but
>> pedestrian ways.
>>
>> Is there a way of doing it that I've missed?  If not, could we have one?
>>
>> Example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/52.08760/-4.65318
>>
>> --
>> Paul
>>
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