[Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrakhan at gmail.com
Sun Aug 4 15:56:13 UTC 2019

Joseph, before you click "edit description", change your language at the
top of the wiki page (make sure you are logged in.  Also, if you change the
language a few times to the ones you know, e.g. to Indonesian, to Spanish,
and then to English, I think interface will always offer you to enter
description in the last few you had picked.

Thanks for adding translations!

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 11:40 AM Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>

> You're right, I was a little confused. Almost all the features on Map
> Features have a wiki page (and those that don't should get a page or
> more likely be removed), so I understand that they have an OSM
> wikibase entry, now, and creating the data item isn't an issue.
> But I still can't figure out how to add description in another language?
> I tried to get the Indonesian translation by:
> 1) Open the English wiki page (eg from the link on Map Features in this
> case)
> 2) Click on the little pencil to edit the OSM wikibase data item
> (which I can't see, because I have images disabled, but I just hunt
> around...)
> 3) Click on "edit" next to description
> 4) Click "all entered languages" - wait, how do I add Indonesian?
> ?
> Maybe I don't see Indonesian because I'm using a satellite internet
> connection from Australia and I haven't edited Indonesian before. I
> try clicking on "Configure" next to "In more languages"
> I don't see Indonesian there either. So perhaps I have to make a new
> wikibase entry for my language? Unfortunately I don't see a link to
> make a new wikibase item.
> Ok, let's try again with Spanish (EspaƱol), that's on the list...
> I still can't figure it out. How do I add a description in another
> language?
> Fortunately I can just make a stub wiki page by:
> 1) Open the English language page
> 2) Click on edit
> 3) Copy the url, add "id:" in front of the page name
> 4) Copy and paste the ValueDescription / KeyDescription box content
> 5) Edit the description to Indonesian
> It looks like that will still be fewer clicks and fewer mouse strokes
> than editing the OSM wikibase data items, and has the benefit of
> creating a visible wiki page rather than just editing an obscure data
> item.
> Joseph
> On 8/4/19, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Joseph, could you clarify what you mean by "Map Features entry" ?  If you
> > only refer to keys/tags/relations/relation roles, than those things are
> > automatically created -- an editor only needs to translate them.
> >
> > I do agree that if we want to store more diverse data items, we need
> > specialized UI, at least for the initial item creation. Luckily, there
> is a
> > large Wikidata community that has already done many such custom UIs. For
> > example, Wikidata now stores language data (all lexems), and there is a
> > community-created tool to add such words --
> > https://tools.wmflabs.org/lexeme-forms/  (I'm not sure if this tool
> checks
> > for duplicates, please check first if you want to add new data). There
> are
> > many other tools we can model after.  Best thing -- those tools don't
> have
> > to be part of the wiki, but can reside anywhere else, and could be in
> pure
> > client-side JavaScript.
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 2:05 AM Joseph Eisenberg
> > <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> So far, I've found it very difficult to create and edit new wikibase
> >> entries. I don't think it will be easier for Indonesian mappers to
> >> create a wikibase entry for every Map Features entry, rather than
> >> creating a stub page with a description.
> >>
> >> The advantage of translating wiki pages for each features is that then
> >> there is a human-readable page which can be updated and expanded over
> >> time, and also it's clear where the list of feature descriptions are
> >> coming from.
> >>
> >> If you want everyone to create wikibase entries instead, there needs
> >> to be a much easier, friendlier interface, available in all languages,
> >> and I think such a major change should be discussed and be implemented
> >> only if there is consensus that this would be a clear improvement for
> >> most language communities.
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