[Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrakhan at gmail.com
Sun Aug 4 16:04:30 UTC 2019


P.S. I made a short video on how to add descriptions and translations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI1NDD4MtC4

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 11:56 AM Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Joseph, before you click "edit description", change your language at the
> top of the wiki page (make sure you are logged in.  Also, if you change the
> language a few times to the ones you know, e.g. to Indonesian, to Spanish,
> and then to English, I think interface will always offer you to enter
> description in the last few you had picked.
>
> Thanks for adding translations!
>
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 11:40 AM Joseph Eisenberg <
> joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You're right, I was a little confused. Almost all the features on Map
>> Features have a wiki page (and those that don't should get a page or
>> more likely be removed), so I understand that they have an OSM
>> wikibase entry, now, and creating the data item isn't an issue.
>>
>> But I still can't figure out how to add description in another language?
>>
>> I tried to get the Indonesian translation by:
>> 1) Open the English wiki page (eg from the link on Map Features in this
>> case)
>> 2) Click on the little pencil to edit the OSM wikibase data item
>> (which I can't see, because I have images disabled, but I just hunt
>> around...)
>> 3) Click on "edit" next to description
>> 4) Click "all entered languages" - wait, how do I add Indonesian?
>> ?
>>
>> Maybe I don't see Indonesian because I'm using a satellite internet
>> connection from Australia and I haven't edited Indonesian before. I
>> try clicking on "Configure" next to "In more languages"
>>
>> I don't see Indonesian there either. So perhaps I have to make a new
>> wikibase entry for my language? Unfortunately I don't see a link to
>> make a new wikibase item.
>>
>> Ok, let's try again with Spanish (EspaƱol), that's on the list...
>>
>> I still can't figure it out. How do I add a description in another
>> language?
>>
>> Fortunately I can just make a stub wiki page by:
>>
>> 1) Open the English language page
>> 2) Click on edit
>> 3) Copy the url, add "id:" in front of the page name
>> 4) Copy and paste the ValueDescription / KeyDescription box content
>> 5) Edit the description to Indonesian
>>
>> It looks like that will still be fewer clicks and fewer mouse strokes
>> than editing the OSM wikibase data items, and has the benefit of
>> creating a visible wiki page rather than just editing an obscure data
>> item.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> On 8/4/19, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Joseph, could you clarify what you mean by "Map Features entry" ?  If
>> you
>> > only refer to keys/tags/relations/relation roles, than those things are
>> > automatically created -- an editor only needs to translate them.
>> >
>> > I do agree that if we want to store more diverse data items, we need
>> > specialized UI, at least for the initial item creation. Luckily, there
>> is a
>> > large Wikidata community that has already done many such custom UIs. For
>> > example, Wikidata now stores language data (all lexems), and there is a
>> > community-created tool to add such words --
>> > https://tools.wmflabs.org/lexeme-forms/  (I'm not sure if this tool
>> checks
>> > for duplicates, please check first if you want to add new data). There
>> are
>> > many other tools we can model after.  Best thing -- those tools don't
>> have
>> > to be part of the wiki, but can reside anywhere else, and could be in
>> pure
>> > client-side JavaScript.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 2:05 AM Joseph Eisenberg
>> > <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> So far, I've found it very difficult to create and edit new wikibase
>> >> entries. I don't think it will be easier for Indonesian mappers to
>> >> create a wikibase entry for every Map Features entry, rather than
>> >> creating a stub page with a description.
>> >>
>> >> The advantage of translating wiki pages for each features is that then
>> >> there is a human-readable page which can be updated and expanded over
>> >> time, and also it's clear where the list of feature descriptions are
>> >> coming from.
>> >>
>> >> If you want everyone to create wikibase entries instead, there needs
>> >> to be a much easier, friendlier interface, available in all languages,
>> >> and I think such a major change should be discussed and be implemented
>> >> only if there is consensus that this would be a clear improvement for
>> >> most language communities.
>>
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