[Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Sun Aug 4 16:16:17 UTC 2019

Thanks, yes, changing the language under “preferences” for the wiki works,
though it’s a little annoying.

You should set the label field for all languages to the key=value or remove
this field and display the key=value at the top of the page anyway. It’s
quite distracting Now.

Is there a way to see the wikibase data item history? One big concern I
have is that it won’t be easy to see when something is changed. Can you get
notified if someone changes a description?


On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:05 AM Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan at gmail.com>

> P.S. I made a short video on how to add descriptions and translations
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI1NDD4MtC4
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 11:56 AM Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Joseph, before you click "edit description", change your language at the
>> top of the wiki page (make sure you are logged in.  Also, if you change the
>> language a few times to the ones you know, e.g. to Indonesian, to Spanish,
>> and then to English, I think interface will always offer you to enter
>> description in the last few you had picked.
>> Thanks for adding translations!
>> On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 11:40 AM Joseph Eisenberg <
>> joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> You're right, I was a little confused. Almost all the features on Map
>>> Features have a wiki page (and those that don't should get a page or
>>> more likely be removed), so I understand that they have an OSM
>>> wikibase entry, now, and creating the data item isn't an issue.
>>> But I still can't figure out how to add description in another language?
>>> I tried to get the Indonesian translation by:
>>> 1) Open the English wiki page (eg from the link on Map Features in this
>>> case)
>>> 2) Click on the little pencil to edit the OSM wikibase data item
>>> (which I can't see, because I have images disabled, but I just hunt
>>> around...)
>>> 3) Click on "edit" next to description
>>> 4) Click "all entered languages" - wait, how do I add Indonesian?
>>> ?
>>> Maybe I don't see Indonesian because I'm using a satellite internet
>>> connection from Australia and I haven't edited Indonesian before. I
>>> try clicking on "Configure" next to "In more languages"
>>> I don't see Indonesian there either. So perhaps I have to make a new
>>> wikibase entry for my language? Unfortunately I don't see a link to
>>> make a new wikibase item.
>>> Ok, let's try again with Spanish (Español), that's on the list...
>>> I still can't figure it out. How do I add a description in another
>>> language?
>>> Fortunately I can just make a stub wiki page by:
>>> 1) Open the English language page
>>> 2) Click on edit
>>> 3) Copy the url, add "id:" in front of the page name
>>> 4) Copy and paste the ValueDescription / KeyDescription box content
>>> 5) Edit the description to Indonesian
>>> It looks like that will still be fewer clicks and fewer mouse strokes
>>> than editing the OSM wikibase data items, and has the benefit of
>>> creating a visible wiki page rather than just editing an obscure data
>>> item.
>>> Joseph
>>> On 8/4/19, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Joseph, could you clarify what you mean by "Map Features entry" ?  If
>>> you
>>> > only refer to keys/tags/relations/relation roles, than those things are
>>> > automatically created -- an editor only needs to translate them.
>>> >
>>> > I do agree that if we want to store more diverse data items, we need
>>> > specialized UI, at least for the initial item creation. Luckily, there
>>> is a
>>> > large Wikidata community that has already done many such custom UIs.
>>> For
>>> > example, Wikidata now stores language data (all lexems), and there is a
>>> > community-created tool to add such words --
>>> > https://tools.wmflabs.org/lexeme-forms/  (I'm not sure if this tool
>>> checks
>>> > for duplicates, please check first if you want to add new data). There
>>> are
>>> > many other tools we can model after.  Best thing -- those tools don't
>>> have
>>> > to be part of the wiki, but can reside anywhere else, and could be in
>>> pure
>>> > client-side JavaScript.
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 2:05 AM Joseph Eisenberg
>>> > <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> So far, I've found it very difficult to create and edit new wikibase
>>> >> entries. I don't think it will be easier for Indonesian mappers to
>>> >> create a wikibase entry for every Map Features entry, rather than
>>> >> creating a stub page with a description.
>>> >>
>>> >> The advantage of translating wiki pages for each features is that then
>>> >> there is a human-readable page which can be updated and expanded over
>>> >> time, and also it's clear where the list of feature descriptions are
>>> >> coming from.
>>> >>
>>> >> If you want everyone to create wikibase entries instead, there needs
>>> >> to be a much easier, friendlier interface, available in all languages,
>>> >> and I think such a major change should be discussed and be implemented
>>> >> only if there is consensus that this would be a clear improvement for
>>> >> most language communities.
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