[Tagging] Definition of a Beach

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Thu Aug 15 04:48:53 UTC 2019

On 15/08/19 14:16, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> 15 Aug 2019, 03:43 by joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com:
>     For context: yesterday Mateusz Konieczny edited the description of
>     natural=beach on the Landuse page and commented that "beach is not
>     always unvegetated and concrete along shore is not a beach", and then
>     I used his new description on the natural=beach page.
> My edit was triggered by 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Landuse&diff=prev&oldid=1889234
> edit that claimed that beach is well defined by
> "Unvegetated strip of land at the edge of water."

And that was paraphrased form the original OSM description of a beach.
> Main problem with such definition is that strip of concrete/asphalt 
> along shore
> is not a beach.
> I thought about dunes when I claimed that "beach is not
> always unvegetated" but now I see that dunes are not considered as 
> part of the beach.
> I copied definition from Wikipedia as it seemed far better as it 
> managed to
> exclude stuff like
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sea_defences_(21467789266).jpg 
> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sea_defences_%2821467789266%29.jpg>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mole_in_Funchal,_Ponta_do_Garajau,_statue_of_Cristo_Rei_and_Desertas_Islands._Madeira,_Portugal.jpg
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Concrete_defences_by_the_Saxon_Shore_way_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1240179.jpg
> Maybe copying previous definition from natural=beach would be preferable.

Don't know .. hence my question here .. any 'beach' 'experts'?
>     Re: > "To me it does not have plants growing on it - so unvegetated."
>     I agree that beaches generally don't have surface plants like grass -
>     this can be found in wind-formed sand dunes next to some beaches,
>     which I would map as natural=sand or natural=dune + surface=grass if
>     relevant.
>     However, there are many beaches shaded by coconut palms and other
>     spreading or leaning trees here in the rainy tropics - the canopy
>     would extend out over the high tide water line, so the leaves cover a
>     significant part of the beach (5 or even 10 meters), and most mappers
>     put the boundary of natural=wood at the end of the canopy. So I don't
>     know if mentioning "un-vegetated" in the description is necessary.
> So it seems that maybe I managed to improve it, but purely by accident.
> Overall I am fine also with older definition from natural=beach, page 
> but I strongly
> oppose defining beaches as "Unvegetated strip of land at the edge of 
> water."

Good point about concrete may not be a 'beach' .. but then what is a 

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