[Tagging] Cash_withdrawal draft

amilopowers at u-cloud.ch amilopowers at u-cloud.ch
Thu Aug 22 18:41:08 UTC 2019

Hello Everyone

Thank you for your comments, thoughts and ideas.

I try to answer to every point made and I am sorry if I miss something.

Please checkout "Revision 1" of the draft in the tagging section. Some of your questions are answered there because I agree with them. Furthermore I made some changes in the "Features/Pages affected" section. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Cash_withdrawal

Character limit:
I agree with you that it might not be too handy to find something in a long value but to enter it I personally find it easier like that. The payment scheme is very annoying IMHO. Character limit could indeed be a problem. Honestly have you ever seen a value with more than 255 characters?

"Cash back"
Yes I have heard of that term in talk-ch yet but as Martin already said this would be very confusing for most mappers. I guess everyone else that British are more used to "withdraw money" at least I never met an ATM abroad with another term.

I agree with you that this should be an attribute not a tag to use on every till. However we can't foresee how mappers will use it.

Philip (off topic):
Yes there should be a tag for those mini post offices. They spread all over Switzerland. Do you mind to prepare something? Recently I tried to map a DHL collection point and failed because amenity=post_office is definitely wrong.

Happy to hear more of you!

With my best regards

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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
Am Donnerstag, August 22, 2019 3:29 PM schrieb Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk>:



> On Thursday, 22 August 2019, Paul Allen wrote:

> > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 13:09, Philip Barnes phil at trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
> > 

> > > In British English the term used is Cashback.
> > 

> > I can confirm that. I'm not sure, but I think it's only possible to get
> > cashback if you make
> > a purchase. But that could just be a policy of some stores, or I could be
> > completely wrong
> > (I've never tried to get cashback without making a purchase).
> > Its never been something I have thought of tagging, just an option we
> > 

> > > assume to be available at supermarkets.
> > 

> > And convenience stores, such as Spar (my local Spar doesn't charge for
> > cashback but I'm
> > told other shops in the franchise do).
> > I don't think it would be sensible to tag nodes with the intention of
> > having them rendered
> > in some way, as in a large supermarket it would mean mapping every till.
> > Even my local
> > Spar has three tills, and it's not a big shop. Probably best as a property
> > on the shop
> > itself.
> > Incidentally, I recall reading somewhere I cannot remember (and can
> > definitely not vouch
> > for the accuracy of the info) that cashback arose because banks charge a
> > fee on large(?)
> > shops depositing their takings, and that fee is a percentage of the size of
> > the deposit.
> > Various EPOS vendors decided they could give shops a cashback facility and
> > charge
> > a lower percentage of the transaction than the shop would pay a bank to
> > deposit it. If
> > this is all true, the shops aren't doing you a favour, they're doing
> > themselves a favour
> > by giving you an incentive to use them, doing themselves a favour by
> > reducing the
> > fee they pay the bank, and triple-dipping if they charge you for cashback.

> Avoiding charges for banking cash is my understanding of the reason for shops offing this service too.

> Phil (trigpoint)

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