[Tagging] [OSM-talk] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

Peter Elderson pelderson at gmail.com
Sun Aug 25 22:41:34 UTC 2019


Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>:
> 
> While some have suggested that uses of the landuse=* key like
> landuse=grass, landuse=village_green and landuse=recreation_area lead
> to misuse of the landuse=* key, the landcover=* key appears to be even
> more problematic.

The problem is one particular user. The concept of landcover is very clear. Landuse, not so much. 

> A newer user, Henke54, has continued to create new pages like
> Tag:landcover=dunes -
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landcover%3Ddunes (instead of
> Tag:natural=dune), Tag:landcover=water (instead of natural=water),
> Tag:landcover=hedge (instead of barrier=hedge) and
> Tag:landcover=greenery (meant for all types of vegetation? Or
> shrubberies? Flower beds?) in the Tag: space.
> 
> I think this shows that the concept of "landcover" is not clear even
> among users who promote this key over the established keys for
> vegetation and landform features (eg natural=*).

It shows this particular user has a problem. I would not say he is ‘among users who promote this key, he’s one user who abuses this and other keys and does not like to be corrected.

> What should we do with a page like Tag:landcover=dunes? I already
> tried adding a mention that natural=dune was more common and mentioned
> on the Talk page that "dune" is a landform, not a landcover, but this
> was reverted.

There you have it.


> On 8/16/19, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> " it would probably be a lot of work to do this practically"
>> 
>> That's never stopped me before! :-)
>> 
>>> Take all tagging documentation from the wiki no matter where it is and
>>> remove everything that is not strictly documenting the de facto meaning of
>>> tags in the OSM database the result
>> would be a pretty compact body of documentation.
>> 
>> Are you suggesting making Tag: or Key: pages for all of the proposed
>> tags/keys which are being used? That sounds like a lot of work.
>> 
>> Wouldn't it be easier to mark crazy/theoretical/bad/abandoned
>> proposals as "abandoned" and archive them, and then make it easier to
>> search the wiki, including all the proposed features, rather than
>> moving them all to a different wiki namespace?
>> 
>> Or perhaps you are suggesting going through the current Tag: and Key:
>> pages and removing all of the non-factual information, including some
>> pages which are opinion or recommendations.
>> 
>> While this would make a few of the pages shorter, it wouldn't
>> significantly reduce the number of pages or the number of tags and
>> keys documented in the wiki. Just the Map Features page alone, which
>> is only a small subset of the documented tags and keys, is quite
>> lengthy at the moment, and it's just descriptions of each approved or
>> de facto tag (plus a few others that are in use)
>> 
>>> On 8/16/19, Christoph Hormann <osm at imagico.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The problem about proposal pages is that they can be infinitely
>>> theoretical, non-verifiable or outright insane.  So telling a mapper
>>> who is thinking about inventing a new tag to search the proposals if
>>> there is one that already covers what they want to do is not
>>> practicable.  Because even if there is a proposal that deals with the
>>> same kind of situation the mapper is confronted with that does not mean
>>> the proposal contains a practicable idea of how to tag this.
>>> 
>>> The advisable approach to making tag documentation on the wiki better
>>> usable is IMO not to further blur the line between documentation of the
>>> de facto meaning of tags by humans and all the other uses of the wiki
>>> (like proposals, automatically assembled data etc.) but more strictly
>>> separating them.  If you (theoretically - it would probably be a lot of
>>> work to do this practically) take all tagging documentation from the
>>> wiki no matter where it is and remove everything that is not strictly
>>> documenting the de facto meaning of tags in the OSM database the result
>>> would be a pretty compact body of documentation.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christoph Hormann
>>> http://www.imagico.de/
>>> 
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