[Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

Volker Schmidt voschix at gmail.com
Sun Dec 8 15:12:13 UTC 2019

We all tend to think in pre-established categories.
Another one:
" The distinction that I find important is between ice cream made in an
artisanal fashion (like cakes, pastry) vs. ice cream that is produced
We have a famous (at least expensive) hybrid between the two her in Italy:
(Unilever-owned) GROM produce their ice cream concentrate in a factory and
then convert that stuff locally into ice-cream for which people queue.("Un
gelato come una volta").
Is that industrial or "artigianale" ?

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 12:37, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz at tutanota.com>

> 11 Nov 2019, 12:04 by dieterdreist at gmail.com:
> Am Mo., 11. Nov. 2019 um 11:55 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny <
> matkoniecz at tutanota.com>:
> Again, is there some difference
> in use by general population of mappers?
> I am not looking for differences in use
> wanted by specific mappers active here.
> I am not looking for how
> "place selling ice cream" may be split into
> smaller groups.
> I am not looking
> for purely theoretical implications
> of keys shop and amenity.
> I am not  looking for what would be desirable
> difference in use.
> Is there some consistent difference how
> this two tags are actually used?
> I have not found non-shops tagged as shop=ice_cream, have you? How many of
> these would we have to provide in order to be sure it aren't exceptional
> "errors" but standard way of tagging? You can find mistagged objects for
> any kind of object.
> For now giving a specific area where this distinction is maintained by
> mappers would be very helpful.
> Answering with something as short as "in Germany / London / MaƂopolska"
> would be helpful.
> And yes, mistaggings happen.
> Typically my next step would be to try to find what would be considered as
> mistagging
> and create notes and wait for how people will handle them.
> And/or ask other mappers from this region whatever this distinction
> actually exists.
> FWIW, if we always redefine our tag definitions to the smallest common
> meaning of the "general population of mappers", then discover that we have
> tags that now mean the "exact same thing", we will wipe out all the details.
> I am sure that attempting to store detail in top level tag is a big
> mistake.
> People tried to do this with landuse=forest vs natural=wood, with
> different people using them
> having a differing opinoin what is the difference and what exactly
> separates it.
> Detailed info really should go into additional tags.
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