[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Small electric vehicles

Allroads allroadsworld at gmail.com
Wed Dec 11 12:27:45 UTC 2019


>.....>they? Why didn’t you do something about it? 
> (or are you asking for bicycles with sidecars?)
>generally I agree, exceptions apply. In the motorcar example they are grounded in real life particularities (best reason I’d say).
>...........

I am a part of the they, then it was not within my area of focus, scope, in the given time range when it originated and was implemented, now after a while we all have more knowledge, then the question is how we can solve it in a way that does justice to, where the tagged does not be destroyed in such a way, that it remains applicable. That is my approach now.
So leave motorcar as it is, people who want to use it, because it is used so much. 
Don't let us stop implementing the following.
Give people the opportunity, to tag more correctly, this means for me the introduction of multi_tracked_motor_vehicle, /mt_motor_vehicle. This does justice to the principle “generally I agree”. 

Where I am working on: 
Traffic_sign translation. I miss keys for transportation, to make a tag combination. So I am interested in the access diagram.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:Overzicht_Nederlandse_Verkeersborden
Ended up to make a style, to see and control the tags. Get hints in Josm window. 
http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~allroads/JOSM/Styles/Road_extended_JOSM_style_info.html
Far from ready. Under construction. I must totally rewrite it, because of new insights, new wishes, things are not possible in mapcss and still learning, time as stumbling block.
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=58694
Focus on road tagging.

When it comes to a voting about a key/value.
Give people the opportunity, to tag more correctly, at a voting, which arguments are more important. Saying “no” “yes”, the why is more important.
When I make a proposal, multi_tracked_motor_vehicle. Many are fine with motorcar, If they do not see the need for others and there vote is “no”, this “no” has for me a lesser value.
This could have a negative effect on the development of OSM.
Which interest is greater than the others, what to decide.

Lately I wrote down for myself some thoughts. 
1. A traffic sign (combination) should preferably be tagged with as few tags as possible.
2. A traffic sign should preferably be tagged as directly as possible with tags.
3. Neutralizing, opposite tagging should be avoided as much as possible.
4. The diagram access hierarchy is not complete, missing keys.
5. When developing key value, the decision hierarchy must be considered.
6. Every way of transport must have equal opportunities to achieve good routing.
7. Possible conflicting keys/value must be solved. (Dual explanation).
8. A traffic signs wiki is very important. (Also combination signs on pages.) Carefully selected, customized for possibility of use in presets.

multi_tracked_motor_vehicle, the possibility of use, used in presets, (it is a correct key) maybe over 10-15 years, we see, it is a established key, more important then motorcar. ;-) The life of a key. Mission accomplished.
Give it a try?

So I must make a icon for speedpedelec, for use my style.
This is needed because, government write speedpedelec with text on traffic_sign (undersigns). Even estate owners could make signs with ..............

small electric vehicles, as a group, which vehicles, where is it placed in the hierachy, which icon should I use.
hydrogen, ...............must these vehicle have also their own group? (future)

or is a key needed that gives which type of motor is used.

moped=no  and moped:electric=yes

In the Nedertherlands on a G13 traffic_sign “not mandatory cycleway” a mofa can use it, BUT, ..........
“Bestuurders van snorfietsen uitgerust met een verbrandingsmotor mogen het onverplichte fietspad slechts gebruiken met uitgeschakelde motor.”
“Drivers of light mopeds equipped with an internal combustion engine may only use the non-mandatory cycle path with the engine switched off.”
https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0004825/2019-07-01#HoofdstukII_Paragraaf1_Artikel5
This means that you can use it with a electric motor or bicycle pedals (if on it), manually.
Then the access is mofa=no mofa:electric=yes mofa:manual=yes.
This is a translation of a traffic_sign and law rules.

*:electric=* is lower in hierarchy  not used yet, https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/mofa:electric

Is this better to appoint electric use?

I think so it could also be used for all type of vehicles.

See the practise of emission zones and rules, what we see translated on traffic_signs.
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=60186 even the age of a vehicle is now used.




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